Re: NATLANGS: What's that writing system?

Hi Paul,

<sarcasm> Now, please again, who wrote what in your mail?!
</sarcasm> Not that I wouldn't know -- I've been following
the thread --, but please, please, please indicate
quotations so that we others can see what *you* wrote in
reply.

And please turn off HTML/RTF-formatted mail.
It confuses my mailer in that
random letters sometimes get substituted by '=' or sentence
marks are replaced with their Unicode values, like e.g.
'=2E' for the full stop.

Thank you,
Carsten

"Miranayam kepauarà naranoaris." (Kalvin nay Hobbes)
Tingraena, Rayam 24, 2315 ya 22:55:06 pd


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Schleitwiler
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: NATLANGS: What's that writing system?


--- In conlang@yahoogroups.com, Philip Newton
<philip.newton@...>
wrote:
"
On 7/11/06, Paul Joseph Schleitwiler, FCM
<pjschleitwilerfcm@...>
wrote: [about German "Thal"]
" The 'th' represents an aspirated t, not a Þ."

Is that what it is?
I thought the "h" in that context served to indicate that
the vowel
was long (as "h" still often does in modern German when it
follows a
vowel), though the placement before the vowel seems odd to
someone
accustomed only to modern German spelling rules. I also
thought the
"h" in "roth" (red), also long since abolished, was there
for the same
reason."
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

The aspirated consonants are retained in in the Northern and
Western
dialects but have largely dropped from hochdeutsch and
standard
German. The older orthography remains in place names and
surnames. My
cousins in the Rheinland-Pfalz pronounce 'th' as 't_h' an my
Austrian
cousins pronounce it as  't'. See for example the
Scandinavian
pronunciations as in "Thor".
The 'h' after a vowel was originally an aspirate but has
caused the
lengthening of the vowel or rounding.

This might be an interesting aspect in developing
descendants of
conlangs and attendant con-scripts. Is there a
method/algorithm to recreate partial and conflicting shifts,
as from the merger of dialects and the phenomenon of new
pronunciations based on imperfect readings of outdated
orthography? Anyone doing so, or have done so?
Gott segnt Sie immer, alle Wege,
Paul


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