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Re: Introduction to Altaii

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Monday, June 30, 2003, 16:55
Quoting Roger Mills <romilly@...>:

> Andreas Johansson (on his website) wrote: > > >The diphthongs are _ei ai oy uy_. The language is quite tolerant of > hiatic > combinations-- the chief exception being that i and y cannot stand > after > another vowel. Where this would occur the first vowel is lost if it > is > i,y,e or a -- if it is o or u, a diphthong oy or uy results instead.> > > As I read this, the sequences /i,e,y,a/ + /i~y/ > /i y /. > And /u,o/ + /i~y/ > /uy, oy/ (assuming that in case of /oi, ui/ you > have > rounding assimilation > /oy, uy/. > > So where do _ei, ai_ come from? Something omitted here??? And doesn't > the > name _Altaii_ violate this rule (or does the morpheme boundary between > the > two i's block it)?
These rules apply when inflection or derivation create illegal hiatic combinations. It does not apply to "underlaying" diphthongs, which comes in the flavours /ei, ai, oy, uy/. _Altaii_ is from _Altaia_ +_-i(n)_ - the final /a/ is suppressed according to the above rule, and the _-ai-_ part, being a monophonemic "underlaying" diphthong, is not subject to the same rule as are the phonemes /i y e a/.
> If, as I assume, ei ai derive < /e,a/ + /i~y/ (with loss of rounding in > case > of /ey, ay/, then in fact the only non-permitted vowel sequences > involve > the two high front vowels /i y/ (??) Thus, "delete the first vowel" > gives > ii, yi > i, and iy yy > y. Or have I missed something?
Yep! :-) See above. I guess there's room for describing it somewhat more clearly. And you're right you get ii, yi>i, yi, yy>y. In the Introduction, examples of the former two are seen in the sg~pl pairs _medy_~_medi_ and _izi_~izi_.
> (BTW, since the vowels /i e a u o/ are given their "classic" values, > I'm > assuming /y/ = [high, front, rounded] -- Whatever it represents, maybe > you > ought to mention that.)
Actually, it does say that _y_ is [y]. Under phonology, fourth paragraph beneath the consonant chart: "The vowels are the classical five i e a o u, plus y [y]". Andreas