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Re: Cants

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Sunday, December 14, 2003, 20:38
Quoting Costentin Cornomorus <elemtilas@...>:

> --- Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote: > > > That might be a be all well and good for a > > definition "empire" in the > > imperialistic sense, but use of the title > > "emperor" does not necessarily imply > > a such. Tokugawa Japan, for instance, can > > hardly be described as > > imperialistic; yet westerners have been > > perfectly happpy to render _tenno_ > > as "emperor" (and for that matter, in older > > material, also _shogun_). > > And besides, they still háve an emperor!
True. I was first considering mentioning post-Restoration Japan, but chose not to on account of the imperialistic policies pursued in the period from the Sino-Japanese War to WWII. But post-WWII Japan has of course not been imperialistic in any sensible meaning of the word. (That's right, I consider the concept of "economic imperialism" to be non-sensibly termed.) To get somewhat back to the subject of linguistic invasion, that's to say, almost on topic, it could be interesting to make a study exactly of what has caused westerners to translate non-western royal titles as "emperor" in some cases, but "king" in most. There's an obvious tendency for the former title to be restricted to monarchs of greater or more powerful states than those ruled by mere kings - Chinese emperors rather towering above the ubiquitous African kings - but that would not seem to be enough to explain how the Thai ended up with a king but Vietnamese with an emperor. Andreas