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Re: CXS changes

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Monday, November 8, 2004, 16:58
Quoting "J. 'Mach' Wust" <j_mach_wust@...>:


> If you don't feel obliged to follow (X-)Sampa, then you could also get rid > of the strange use of |J| for a nasal sound and use |n\| instead. I believe > the only reason for that peculiar use of |J| is that by the time it was > introduced, there wasn't any general modifier sign yet as we now have with > |\|.
Personally, I think it would be nice to retain a monograph for this fairly common phone, and that the palatal conotations of |J| makes it fairly fitting. Obviously, [n\] might be used as an alternative.
> Another instance of such an unintuitive assignment is |H| for a sound > that isn't related at all to an aspiration.
Since the IPA uses an up-side-down 'h', I don't think that one's too bad.
> I'd also count the numbers as > samples of extremely unintuitive assignments.
They once were. By now, [2] and [9] are at least as ingrained in my brain as the proper IPA signs will ever become. While we're discussing changes, I might mention moving [P] to the bilabial fricative (currently [p\]); not only would this make for a monograph for another tolerably common sound which also increases symmetry with [p b B], the present use of [P] is for a labiodental approximant, which is, at least on this list, much less commonly mentioned than the bilabial fric, and which already has an alternative notation - [v\] - in X-SAMPA, which on top of it better suggests labiodentality. Andreas

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