Re: Re : The Noli proverb.

At 14:15 30/04/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 30/04/99 13:43:55  , vous avez =E9crit :
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><< Pon tjomu mem, yam Nomu wam.
> other-EX-TE way-PR-CO time-PR-TE, you-PR-TE No-PR-CO refuse-PR-TE. >>
>
>why are "ya" (you) and "No" in the processive form ? Do they hold a=
 specific=20
>role as "way" ?
>
        Well, No is in processive form simply because it's a process here. In
existential form, it would have a static feeling and 'yam Nonu wam' would
mean something like "don't be No"! In processive form, it means here that
it is 'used'. In fact, it is more complicated than that as, for the Noli,
to use perfectly No, you must be one with this energy you find in you, so
using and being No is nearly the same thing (in Noli philosophy, not in
everyday speech!).

        Here, 'ya' is in processive form because the subject of this sentence is
supposed to _actively_ refuse to use No if s/he can do it otherwise. Using
'ya' in existential form is possible, but would give to the subject a
passive feeling (s/he is here, but not doing the process, rather enduring
it). This would be possible if the proverb meant: "you mustn't use No if
you can do it otherwise" (because I decided so, or because God decided so
and that's all and SHUT UP! :) ). But the main idea here is that everyone
actively understands the reason for this proverb, agrees with the people
who say it and actively accepts to follow this piece of advice. So here
'ya' is used in processive form (you mustn't use No because you fully
accept the idea that it is better to do otherwise if you can).

        Last (but not least) there is also a major aesthetic tendency in Notya
that says that you must use as many processive forms as possible. It is
even truer in proverbs which are basically static sentences (as they are
repeated and repeated and finally lose some of their meaning). To give them
an active feeling which is more attracting, as many processive forms as
possible must be used. And as you can see, the proverb I showed you is very
representative (six words and only one existential form). When trying to
make a sentence in Notya, never forget to try and maximise the number of
processive forms. Another thing is the fact that using 'ya': "you" in
processive form is always more polite than using it in existential form, as
the processive form means active participation in the process, and using
'ya' in processive form shows than you understand that you speak to
somebody who is sentient and has free choice, as you have. To that respect,
my other example (Em sjhecon yanu mam : I give you a book) is not very
polite. If the people are not close friends, I think it would even be
considered rude, even if the Noli are generally very familiar with each=
 other.

>Mathias=20
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                                                        Christophe Grandsire
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