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Re: triphtong

From:JS Bangs <jaspax@...>
Date:Sunday, June 26, 2005, 5:10
> Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> writes: > >... > > The triphthong, when used, in _fire_ is a falling one; the vowel is > > /a/ (or some similar low, central vowel) then the tongue glides > > towards [I] before moving to the central [@] position. Triphthongs > > more typically IMO begin are a combo of rising diphthong & falling > > diphthongs and better examples are Italian words like: _suoi_ "his/ > > her" ( and _miei_ "my" ( > > Ah, yes, those are triphthongs indeed! Now that you say it, Mandarin > has a few: e.g. -[wEI] in 'shui' - 'water' (|ui| is a misleading > spelling) and -[waI] in 'kuai' etc.
I have trouble considering these diphthongs, because I don't like to regard onsets as part of the diphthong. The Italian pronunciation I learned pronounces these as [swoI] and [mjeI], and the onset glides don't seem like they should count towards triphthongality :). Otherwise, "swine" has a diphthong. OTOH, Thai does have honest-to-goodness triphthongs, with the combinations [i@u] and [u@i]. The Thai speakers I've heard consistently stress the first element of that sequence, but do not make it two-syllables. -- JS Bangs "I could buy you a drink I could tell you all about it I could tell you why I doubted And why I still believe." - Pedro the Lion