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Re: Futurese: Colours

From:Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
Date:Friday, October 11, 2002, 1:38
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:51:37 -0400, John Cowan <jcowan@...>

>michael poxon scripsit: > >> There are other distinct-to-me colours which the colour system of English >> broadly includes in red (maroon, vermilion...) > >Well, thuryago /Dr=j@gou/. For me, maroon is a kind of purple, not red!
And here I was thinking that maroon was a kind of brown! Of course, maroon isn't really any of those, but falls somewhere in the ill-defined border area on the color chart between purple, red, and brown. It's also likely that not everyone has exactly the same idea of which color "maroon" represents. My Lindiga equivalent of "maroon" is a dark red with just a little blue added, not really enough to put it into the "purple" category. But then, Lindiga "red" includes some colors that I'd call "purple" in English. In Tirelat, "maroon" and "brown" are both different kinds of "red". Tirelat would be a good example of what Berlin and Kay describe as a "Stage V" system (black, white, red, green, yellow, and blue) except that it also has a basic word for gray. But supposing that we have similar ideas of what color "maroon" is supposed to be, this would be a confirmation of the idea that color categories are defined more by their focal centers than their boundaries. It reminds me of the biological classification that I started using in Eklektu, with higher categories defined in terms of relationship to a single representative species (or genus, or family in some cases). So for instance, Eklektu had distinct words for "red fox" (lisa) and "gray wolf" (vuk). The Arctic fox is related to the red fox, so the word "lisa" is used. For similar reasons, "vuk" is used for coyotes and jackals. But it's a matter of opinion which word should be used for the bat-eared fox (Otocyon megalotis). -- languages of Azir------> ---<>--- hmiller (Herman Miller) "If all Printers were determin'd not to print any email password: thing till they were sure it would offend no body, \ "Subject: teamouse" / there would be very little printed." -Ben Franklin