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Re: PA dialect (was: Re: i'm reforming one of my conlangs)

From:Carl Banks <conlang@...>
Date:Saturday, December 13, 2008, 5:23
Mark J. Reed wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Carl Banks <conlang@...> > wrote: > >> > OK, I give up - what is the spelling "hause" meant to convey? It >> sure >> > looks like it would be pronounced the same as the standard AmE (/h&Us/ >> or so). >> >> /has/, rhymes with sauce. > > > Interesting. I've encountered that as an alternate for "horse", but not > "house". > > >> I am not the biggest expert on dialectal English, but I've never heard >> of >> au being pronounced /&U/ in any English dialect, only foreign languages. >> I only pronounce it /a/, and I've only heard of it being prounounced in >> other dialects as /O/. > > > And therein lies the problem with fauxnetic, eye-dialectical > transcription. > :) It's true that "au" is typically /a/ in AmE, or /O/ in lects that > maintain the distinction, but it strikes me as an odd spelling choice for > that sound when clearer ones like "oss" and "ahs" are available.
Yes, you are right, either "hahse" or "hoss" would have been a better choice. Oh well.
> I have no knowledge of Pennsylvanian dialects, but I've heard rhotic > "wash" > in West Virginian English. It's genuine.
But if I admitted the truth I would not have been able to hatch my conspiracy theory about Pittsburgh's linguistic oppression of North Side dialects!!~ Actually, on further thought I suspect the r actually redisappeared in my grandmother's dialect, i.e., the order of sound changes went like this: /waS/ -> /warS/ -> /wUrS/ -> /wUS/ The second sound change was not a sproradic change like the other two. There are a boatload of words in my dialect that apparently once began with /war/ but have undergone systematic sound change to /wUr/. (I pronounce war, wart, warm, ward, warp, and warn all with a /U/, rounded and everything.) I'm not sure what other dialects have this peculiarity. Carl Banks