Re: PA dialect (was: Re: i'm reforming one of my conlangs)
|From:||Carl Banks <conlang@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, December 13, 2008, 5:23|
Mark J. Reed wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Carl Banks <conlang@...>
>> > OK, I give up - what is the spelling "hause" meant to convey? It
>> > looks like it would be pronounced the same as the standard AmE (/h&Us/
>> or so).
>> /has/, rhymes with sauce.
> Interesting. I've encountered that as an alternate for "horse", but not
>> I am not the biggest expert on dialectal English, but I've never heard
>> au being pronounced /&U/ in any English dialect, only foreign languages.
>> I only pronounce it /a/, and I've only heard of it being prounounced in
>> other dialects as /O/.
> And therein lies the problem with fauxnetic, eye-dialectical
> :) It's true that "au" is typically /a/ in AmE, or /O/ in lects that
> maintain the distinction, but it strikes me as an odd spelling choice for
> that sound when clearer ones like "oss" and "ahs" are available.
Yes, you are right, either "hahse" or "hoss" would have been a better
choice. Oh well.
> I have no knowledge of Pennsylvanian dialects, but I've heard rhotic
> in West Virginian English. It's genuine.
But if I admitted the truth I would not have been able to hatch my
conspiracy theory about Pittsburgh's linguistic oppression of North Side
Actually, on further thought I suspect the r actually redisappeared in my
grandmother's dialect, i.e., the order of sound changes went like this:
/waS/ -> /warS/ -> /wUrS/ -> /wUS/
The second sound change was not a sproradic change like the other two.
There are a boatload of words in my dialect that apparently once began
with /war/ but have undergone systematic sound change to /wUr/. (I
pronounce war, wart, warm, ward, warp, and warn all with a /U/, rounded
and everything.) I'm not sure what other dialects have this peculiarity.