Re: Japanese phonemes (was Re: The Monovocalic PIE Myth (wasGermans have no /w/, ...))
|From:||Tristan Mc Leay <kesuari@...>|
|Date:||Sunday, June 13, 2004, 14:15|
Nik Taylor wrote:
>Danny Wier wrote:
>>From: "Nik Taylor" <yonjuuni@...>
>>>The reason is that there's no voiced /h/, and voiced /h/ is very rare
>>>anyways. "f" simply DOES NOT EXIST in Japanese on a PHONEMIC level.
>>It doesn't really exist on a phonetic level either; it's actually [P] (IPA
>>phi), which makes me think more of the sound of [W] than [f].
>Really? Sounds very /f/-like to me. Of course, my dialect doesn't have
>[W], perhaps if mine did, I'd think of "wh" as being closer than "f",
>but for [W]-less dialects, I think /f/ is the closest English sound to
Yeah... IIUC Maori has /f/ spelt as <wh> because when the orthography
was made, the dominant dialect of Maori had /f/ pronounced as [P] and
New Zealand English hadn't lost /W/ at the time. Now the dominant
dialect has /f/ as [f] and NZE /W/ > /w/. Or so I understand.