Re: Ugly Klingon was Re: PHONO: lateral plosive

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From: "Karapcik, Mike" <KarapcM@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Ugly Klingon was Re: PHONO: lateral plosive


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> |From: "Karapcik, Mike"
> | >     (I know he also did Atlantean from Disney's movie. Frankly, the
> |language aspect was the one thing about that movie that made me cringe.
> |Atlanteans speak PIE (ok...), so by extension they are fluent in *all*
> |daughter languages (not ok...). The "Teach Yourself Atlantean" on the DVD
> |was sooo veeery laaame.)
>
> > They really speak PIE?  Somewhat cringeworthy, but it'd be interesting
to
> > see how he rendered it...
>
>
>         It was never called PIE, per se. It was referred to as the
ancestor of Latin and Greek (don't remember if Sanskrit was mentioned),
which would be pretty close to PIE, if not PIE itself.
>         In the movie, when Whatshisname was talking to Kita in Atlantean,
he switched to Latin and I think Greek. She understood them. Then he spoke
French (what sounded like Modern French to my Anglophone ears), and she
responded in French. He then tried English, and the rest was in English.
However, when the expedition and Atlanteans first socialized, there were
conversations in other languages, including Russian and German.
>         So... If Atlantean isn't PIE, it would be one of the very early
offshoots. The ancestor of Romance, Hellenic, Slavic, and Germanic would
probably trace >back to migrations out of the Persian area.


Hmm...from what I would gather, the Latest common ancestor of all of those
would have happened shortly after Tocharian branched off from PIE.
Incidentally, a computer based analysis of languages shows the groupings of
languages, and soforfth can be found here:
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~histling/

This means that we have big super-sub-families of Germano-Slavic(and
Indo-Slavic), Helleno-Armenian and Italo-Celtic.  It also shows that Slavic
and Indo-Iranian became Satem independant of each other, because Germanic is
a Centum language('huntam' would be a better description, but hey)