Re: Ugly Klingon was Re: PHONO: lateral plosive

In a message dated 2003:03:24 12:48:46 PM, peter-clark@BETHEL.EDU writes:

>On Monday 24 March 2003 02:22 pm, Christian Thalmann wrote:
>
>> The totally unnecessary usage
>> of capital I (and other capital letters) is IMHO the
>> greatest flaw of |tlhIngan Hol|.
>
>        Er...you _do_ realize that Marc Okrand deliberately specified capital
>letters to deliberately make Klingon ugly? In other words, it's a feature,
not
>a bug.
In a message dated 2003:03:24 01:05:40 PM, hsteoh@QUICKFUR.ATH.CX writes:

>There *are* no bugs. Just lots of unintentional features. :-)
*Snarfle!*, Teoh...

    Okrand's Klingon is just one of many ConLangs that inspired me to use
some capital lettres in g0miileg0.
    Futurist/Dada/Constructivist/"Concrete"\"Visual" Poetry-style, I also use
some "other things" like 0 [zero /zI@r@U/] for the diphthong /@U/, 3r for
rhotic schwa,
and  '  for singular, unaccented /@/s.
    But I try to make g0miileg0 aesthetically pleasing in an odd way as well
as "ugly" ;)
sorta like music have both consonance and dissonance... or good literature
having at least one underlying conflict.


In a message dated 2003:03:24 01:34:42 PM, KarapcM@MOFFITT.USF.EDU writes:

>(I know [[Okrand]] also did Atlantean from Disney's movie. Frankly, the
language
>aspect was the one thing about that movie that made me cringe. Atlanteans
>speak PIE (ok...), so by extension they are fluent in *all* daughter
languages
>(not ok...). The "Teach Yourself Atlantean" on the DVD was sooo veeery
>laaame.)
    I went to the Disney website when that movie was being hyped. I was also
disappointed with that so-call "conlang" called Atlantean. If that was PIE,
where did the 3 laryngeals and their vowel-coloured variations go? And what
about the morphosyntax???!!!!
    Okrand IMHO has become a "mere conlang hack" (at least currently).

In a message dated 2003:03:24 02:02:39 PM, cinga@GMX.NET writes:

>>         On that topic, does anyone know anything about Marc
> > Okrand?
>
>Unfortunately, no.  I'd like to have a word with him about
>the writing system myself.
    uh oh... poor Okrand... I pity the guy now... he doesn't know what he is
in for...


In a message dated 2003:03:24 01:49:15 PM, hsteoh@QUICKFUR.ATH.CX writes:

>More like MICROS~1-bashing mood. :-P (Well, according to Christophe, my
>sig-generating Perl script has a life of its own. It has been known to
>pick quotes that are strangely relevant to the message body, even though
>it is run *before* the message body is typed...)
    IT'S POSSESSED, TEOHIE!!!


In a message dated 2003:03:24 02:03:10 PM, christophe.grandsire@FREE.FR
writes:

>Yep, I said that Perl must be the hand of God ;))) .
    Ok, mayhaps it's evolving into an oracle ;) a new cyberculture _I Ching_
*googolgigglabyte!*


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