Various weirdnesses in natlangs, plus obconlang questions following them
|From:||Eldin Raigmore <eldin_raigmore@...>|
|Date:||Friday, May 19, 2006, 0:34|
Has anyone else ever heard of these?
Has anyone got them in his/her conlang?
Does anyone know of them in a natlang, or someone else's conlang?
See below for first ten Google hits about "tritransitive".
Has anyone read any of them yet?
It looks like many tritransitive clauses -- if there are any -- are created
from ditransitive clauses by one of the following three transformations;
* causativization; especially if the causee -- the agent-of-effect --
doesn't get demoted; especially if, for instance, this is because there is
a special "causee case".
* applicativization; especially if the erstwhile Direct Object doesn't get
demoted; especially if, for instance, this is because two accusatives are
* dative applicativization; especially if the erstwhile Indirect Object
doesn't get demoted; especially if, for instance, this is because two
datives are allowed.
Apparently in some languages there is an operation that can promote a
peripheral oblique adjunct into a core term position without demoting
the "Direct Object". That is, the erstwhile peripheral oblique adjunct is
promoted into the role of "Indirect Object".
See below for first ten Google hits about "dative applicative".
Does anyone's conlang use "dative applicatives"?
If you do, do your "applicatives" consist of a "dative applicative"
followed by a "dative movement"? (I.e. you really have only
one "applicative" -- the "dative movement" -- but you can bring anything
into Direct Object position by applying first a "dative applicative" and
then a "dative movement".)
If the erstwhile Indirect Object can become the Subject due to some
Passivization process, is this process always "dative movement" followed
by "passivization"? (That is, straight "passivization" can only bring the
Direct Object into the Subject role; but since the Indirect Object can be
brought into the Direct Object role by "dative movement", the Indirect
Object can become the Subject by means of a double transformation.)
Milewski mentions a group of languages, all of which, he says, are
restricted to various parts of British Columbia, which he calls "cyclic
In these languages, a word's "function in the clause" is not marked in/on
that word, but in/on the previous word. To say it a little differently, in
these languages, a word does not mark its own "function in the clause", but
rather, marks the next word's "function".
There is one function reserved for the first word -- it appears to always
be the verb, or, at least, is in the examples Milewski actually printed.
There is one marking which means "this is the last word in this clause".
Has anyone's conlang ever done anything that weird?
Milewski's example languages that he mentions are;
Kwakiutl (a Mosan (?) language)
Apparently Kwakiutl is what we would call accusative, while Nass and
Tsimshian are what we would call ergative.
Does anyone know anything about these languages? Or about any
other "cyclic" natlangs?
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Tritransitive clauses. (A. T). R. BEN/CAUS. Lokono Dian (Pet 1987:56).
(7a). da-siki-fa. no. ly-myn. I-give-FUT. it. he-BEN. >I will give it to
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that would be tritransitive. > How can I deal with em? (And > note that
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