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Re: THEORY nouns and cases

From:And Rosta <a.rosta@...>
Date:Monday, April 26, 2004, 15:55
John Cowan:
> Ray Brown scripsit: > > But lojban, like Loglan, was based, I thought, on clausal form logic > > and, indeed, in order to test the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, it was > > purposely designed not to be like a natlang. Also, of course, altho > > lojban describes 'lo cribe' as you say (and you should know :) it is > > possible that a linguist could analyze it as 'lo' being a substantiver, > > i.e. in 'lo cribe', 'cribe' has indeed been substantivized & is a noun. > > It's possible, but you'd have to ask a real linguistician (And, perhaps) > whether that analysis is at all plausible.
I do not assent to the (flippant, I hope) notion that the class of real linguisticians includes me but not John (or Ray), but seeing as I am mentioned... I take the minoritarian view that word classes (parts of speech) are language-specific rather than universal. The analysis of the word classes of Language X can be based on evidence only from Language X itself. One can recycle terminology used for describing Language Y and apply it to X, but this recycling has no analytical force. Therefore, ***IMHO***, it is meaningless to debate whether cribe is a 'noun' (unless 'noun' is given a Lojban-specific definition); and furthermore, there is no compelling reason from Lojban grammar to say that cribe changes word class when subordinated to lo. That's only IMHO, though. --And.