Re: CHAT: A flat minor (was: ATTN: Pablo Flores (VIRUS WARNING))

John Cowan wrote:
>
>Andreas Johansson scripsit:
>
> > |v|=[f] is of course perfectly regular in German, tho' |v|=[v] is a not
> > uncommon irregularity.
>
>My mother the native speaker and _Germanist_ told me that "v" was
>pronounced /v/ in non-native words such as "November" and "van Beethoven"
>(LvB was born in Bonn, but the family was from South Brabant).
Checking another encyclopedia, it does say [v]. Possibly the [f] in the
other one reflects a spelling-induced germanification rather than an
outright error. I take it Brabantish has [v] for written |v| - "van" is
rendered as [fan] in this neck of the woods, at least.

As a side note, rendering |v| as [v] initially and medially in reasonably
obvious loans, and [f] elsewhere should get you right most of the time.

                                                       Andreas

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