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Re: not un-/anti-passive

From:JR <fuscian@...>
Date:Sunday, June 22, 2008, 12:49
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Jeffrey Jones <jsjonesmiami@...>

> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:44:07 +0300, JR <fuscian@...> wrote: >
> >Eldin, in applicatives, an non-direct object, or oblique argument is > >promoted to direct object, as I understand. I don't see that ocurring here > >though. Not really sure about good web resources for the circumstantial - > >there's a little here, a little there. There's a page on wikipedia, but I > >think there's a mistake in it. > > WRT mistake, what do you have in mind? >
This sentence: "One very common circumstantial voice is the ordinary passive voice <>, which promotes a patient<>to the subject position." First, I think the author must have meant direct (or indirect) object instead of patient, but anyway, why would this be considered a type of circumstantial voice? CV is defined a couple of lines earlier as promotion of an oblique argument, and how is a DO oblique? I'll refrain for now from responding to the other points raised, because I'm drowning in a mud of inconsistent and ill-defined terminology.... But I'll mention one other thing that I saw in Frank Palmer's _Grammatical Roles and Relations_, which you may or may not be familiar with. In Japanese there's an 'adversity passive', morphologically identical to the regular passive, but in which someone negatively affected is put into subject position: Mary ga piano o hi-ita Mary Nom piano Acc play-Pst 'Mary played the piano' John ga Mary ni piano o hik-are-ta John Nom Mary by piano Acc play-Pass-Pst *'John was adversely played the piano by Mary' Other examples could be translated as 'John's wife died on him', 'I was subjected to a burglar stealing a bicycle from me', and 'John was rained on' (in this last one 'John' is given the topic marker 'wa' instead of the nominative 'ga', not sure how relevant this is). This seems relevant to what is happening in Naisek, and worth looking into. There's a short paper on the phenomenon at where the author discusses whether this construction raises the valence or not, and I'm sure there's much more to be read too. Josh