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NATLANG: Re: "sz" (was: Beekes.)

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 9:07
>Hi! > >Tristan McLeay writes: >>... >> Hence the Hungarian <sz> is essentially the same thing as the German ß. >> >> I hope that's clear, or that someone can clarify --- it's a bit hard to >> discuss this sort of thing when you can't remember the actual nature of >> the sounds. > >Probably apical s vs. laminal s. Apical tends to sound like /S/ for >speakes of languages with only laminal s.
Makes sense now. There are examples of this thing elsewhere too, frex the oldest Germanic loans into Finnic reflect a Germanic apical /s/ as */S/ initially (modern /h/). These days its *us* who don't have /S/, and it's pretty common for Finnish tourists be told that our /s/'s sound like /S/... But what's the deal with Polish <s sz> = /s s`/ then? Does also having /s\/ somehow mess this correlation up? John Vertical