Re: Non-linear / full-2d writing systems?

On Monday, May 16, 2005, at 04:33 , Remi Villatel wrote:

> Ray Brown wrote:
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>> In front of me I have a 2b non-linear representation. It consists of a
>> matrix of 1024 x 768 pixels. I do NOT 'read' these pixels by rows or by
>> columns. On my 'desktop' I see a picture of my three grandchildren
>> sitting
>> in 'sand-cars' built on a beach, with sand dunes in the background & few
>> small figures, the sky above and some odd icons that my OS requires on
>> the
>> desktop etc. Yes, some lines are provided by a windbreak on the right
>> edge
>> of the picture and by a folding seat. But I do not 'read' these linearly!
>
> We agree but you just don't realize it. This matrix of pixels contains
> rows
> and columns but the whole is a 2d surface.
Yes - but the same result - as far as the human eye & human cognition is
concerned could be achieved by painting in water color, or using oils
paints etc.

> So, it's possible to have a 2d
> whole made of linear elements. That's what I meant. The same applies to a
> 2dWS. Linear elements do not matter as long as the result is non-linear.
That's OK if your writing is to be done always on a VDU. But if I was to
paint the picture (or even draw it in black, white a shades of gray using
pencils) I would not do so by coloring in or shading a grid of dots!

We are talking here about humans writing on surfaces like paper etc., are
we not?

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>> The subject line of this thread is *non-linear/ full-2d* writing systems.
>> I did not make it up or start it. I began by being dubious about its
>> possibility but through the discussions with Sai and H.S. Teoh - which I
>> found very interesting and stimulating - my imagination got fired  ;)
>
> It's time to admit that it's impossible.
So a non-linear full-2d writing system is impossible? So my initial doubts
were well-founded after all and I was wasting my time discussing points
with Sai & H.s. Teoh?  {sigh}

> Whenever you put 2 elements on a piece of paper, you got a line.
Eh? Not unless you define line a different way from me. {puzzled}

[snip]

> Now, back to work! The deadline isn't linearly going closer and closer.
> ;-)
You may have a deadline - but, alas, an impossible project won't even make
Sai's suggested end of September deadline.

	:=(

Ray
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