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Re: Non-linear / full-2d writing systems?

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 6:05
On Monday, May 16, 2005, at 04:33 , Remi Villatel wrote:

> Ray Brown wrote: > [---CUT---] >> In front of me I have a 2b non-linear representation. It consists of a >> matrix of 1024 x 768 pixels. I do NOT 'read' these pixels by rows or by >> columns. On my 'desktop' I see a picture of my three grandchildren >> sitting >> in 'sand-cars' built on a beach, with sand dunes in the background & few >> small figures, the sky above and some odd icons that my OS requires on >> the >> desktop etc. Yes, some lines are provided by a windbreak on the right >> edge >> of the picture and by a folding seat. But I do not 'read' these linearly! > > We agree but you just don't realize it. This matrix of pixels contains > rows > and columns but the whole is a 2d surface.
Yes - but the same result - as far as the human eye & human cognition is concerned could be achieved by painting in water color, or using oils paints etc.
> So, it's possible to have a 2d > whole made of linear elements. That's what I meant. The same applies to a > 2dWS. Linear elements do not matter as long as the result is non-linear.
That's OK if your writing is to be done always on a VDU. But if I was to paint the picture (or even draw it in black, white a shades of gray using pencils) I would not do so by coloring in or shading a grid of dots! We are talking here about humans writing on surfaces like paper etc., are we not?
> [---CUT---] >> The subject line of this thread is *non-linear/ full-2d* writing systems. >> I did not make it up or start it. I began by being dubious about its >> possibility but through the discussions with Sai and H.S. Teoh - which I >> found very interesting and stimulating - my imagination got fired ;) > > It's time to admit that it's impossible.
So a non-linear full-2d writing system is impossible? So my initial doubts were well-founded after all and I was wasting my time discussing points with Sai & H.s. Teoh? {sigh}
> Whenever you put 2 elements on a piece of paper, you got a line.
Eh? Not unless you define line a different way from me. {puzzled} [snip]
> Now, back to work! The deadline isn't linearly going closer and closer. > ;-)
You may have a deadline - but, alas, an impossible project won't even make Sai's suggested end of September deadline. :=( Ray =============================================== =============================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760