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Re: Cognitive Linguistics, "The Language Instinct", and High-Functioning Autistics

From:Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
Date:Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 21:01
Hallo!

On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:57:24 -0400, Eldin Raigmore wrote:

> On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:25:41 +0200, Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...> > wrote: > > [...] > >... it has indeed been claimed that many contemporary theories of language > >are in fact just theories of English, > > [er] > Yes, it has. > > While it appears true that some published "Universal Grammar" works have > been published without adequate attention to "exotic" languages, it is > nevertheless true that some, for instance the founding works of Role-and- > Reference Grammar, were _inspired_ by these "exotic" languages in the first > place.
Yes. I am aware of the fact that several new theories have been developed because older theories didn't handle particular languages well.
> It isn't fair to throw out an entire theory because some papers in that > theory were published prematurely.
True.
> It is particularly unfair to throw out an entire _class_ of theories > because you have decided to (in some cases unfairly) throw out some of them.
You are of course right. I didn't really mean to "throw out" an entire class of theories, I'm sorry. But I plainly have little use for them.
> [JR] > >and I seem to remmeber reading somewhere that Chomsky doesn't speak any > >foreign language, though I don't know whether that's true. > > [er] > No, this is a canard.
OK. I guessed that. I should have said "It is sometimes rumoured that ...", because I had heard that rumour.
> Chomsky's "Aspects of Syntax" were developed in his private notes studying > material from Hebrew and French; although he didn't publish until he could > apply his ideas to English.
I see. Yes, I seem to dimly remember something about Hebrew i this context.
> I get tired of seeing this repeated. Chomsky's ideas have enough real > weaknesses to not make this a necessary part of the arsenal of his > detractors.
I concur with you. Nor should his political views and whatever one thinks about them taint one's judgement of Chomsky's linguistic ideas.
> If you see this notion repeated by anyone who has already been told it is > untrue, that person is doing the off-net equivalent of "trolling" -- that > is, they are saying what they say merely to provoke an argument, not > because they really believe it themselves. > > Such remarks should be ignored.
Yes.
> [JR] > >It is probably true with many of his successors, though. > > [er] > Well, I doubt that.
You have good reasons to do so. One would indeed expect an academic linguist, if not to actually speak a foreign language, but at least to have some idea about the diversity found in languages worldwide. Many university programmes in linguistics indeed require a course in at least one non-Indo-European language.
> What has been true of many of his successors -- at least, of many of the > papers they have published -- has been, that they went to publication > without testing their ideas on more than one or two languages (of which > one, frequently, was English); that often the "testing" was rather cursory > on some of the languages (frequently all of them except English); and that > they relied too much on introspection as a scientific tool.
I see. While there are many premature publications in linguistics, insufficient account of linguistic diversity is just one potential fault out of many. ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf