Re: Ventricular phonation
|From:||Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 6:15|
On Monday, March 28, 2005, at 04:46 , Mark Jones wrote:
> Just to clarify a few points here for the phonetically-interested.
> 1) The ventricular (false vocal) folds do indeed lie above the true vocal
> folds. They *are* used in speech, contrary to reports by some previous
> correspondents reporting the standard textbook accounts. All kinds of
> creaky[etc snipped]
Thanks, it is good to have more informative input - my information was
mainly due to David Crystal whom I do not find always the most sound
I get the impression, however, that ventricular folds are not used to
produce separate sounds of their own, which is what William wanted to
> 6) Ventricular folds are not used for ventriloquism as such: ventriloquism
> 'simply' involves producing speech with a fixed jaw and lip position, and
> uses substitutions of various sound types for e.g. the labials, which are
> otherwise visible.
Yep - as I wrote, the ventri- part of 'ventriloquist' harks back to the
2000 year old Roman misconception that _uentriloqui_ used their bellies to
produce articulate sound & not their mouths!
Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight,
which is not so much a twilight of the gods
as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]