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Re: Ventricular phonation

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 6:15
On Monday, March 28, 2005, at 04:46 , Mark Jones wrote:

> Just to clarify a few points here for the phonetically-interested. > > 1) The ventricular (false vocal) folds do indeed lie above the true vocal > folds. They *are* used in speech, contrary to reports by some previous > correspondents reporting the standard textbook accounts. All kinds of > creaky
[etc snipped] Thanks, it is good to have more informative input - my information was mainly due to David Crystal whom I do not find always the most sound source. I get the impression, however, that ventricular folds are not used to produce separate sounds of their own, which is what William wanted to know.
> 6) Ventricular folds are not used for ventriloquism as such: ventriloquism > 'simply' involves producing speech with a fixed jaw and lip position, and > uses substitutions of various sound types for e.g. the labials, which are > otherwise visible.
Yep - as I wrote, the ventri- part of 'ventriloquist' harks back to the 2000 year old Roman misconception that _uentriloqui_ used their bellies to produce articulate sound & not their mouths! Ray =============================================== =============================================== Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the gods as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]