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Re: CHAT: "T's okay" and initial /ts/ affricates

From:Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
Date:Friday, September 25, 1998, 15:29
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Tom Wier

>Laurie Gerholz wrote: >> S'Okay. >I know this is totally offtopic from what you were talking about, but I =
couldn't
>resist this one: you say /soukei/ rather than /tsoukei/? I find this =
very interesting,
>because I've been noticing around here that people regularly use the =
affricate
>/ts/ rather than the fricative /s/, which seems to go against Standard =
English
>phonology (but then it shouldn't be surprising because Standard English =
is an
>artificial phenomenon anyways). I know I use the affricate usually, =
unless I'm
>*really* tired. So, what do other people use here? I would be most =
interested in
>knowing. :)
Well, I don't _speak_ English in my normal Spanish-speaking environment, = but I certainly hear everybody saying /tsoukei/. In general, I think = this should be accepted as a standard contraction, even in writing. And = I've caught myself many times wishing I could say and write _'Tis my fault!_ without being taken as a pedant. I think "it is" could be replaced by = "ts" before a vowel, and "tis" before a consonant. --Pablo Flores ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDE890.13D36E40 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiIRAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ADwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFIAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABDb25zdHJ1Y3RlZCBMYW5ndWFnZXMgTGlzdABTTVRQAENPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05WTS5C Uk9XTi5FRFUAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAGgAAAENPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05W TS5CUk9XTi5FRFUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAdAAAAJ0NvbnN0cnVjdGVkIExh bmd1YWdlcyBMaXN0JwAAAAACAQswAQAAAB8AAABTTVRQOkNPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05WTS5CUk9XTi5F RFUAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADkzkBCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9z b2Z0IE1haWwuTm90ZQAxCAEEgAEALQAAAENIQVQ6ICJUJ3Mgb2theSIgYW5kIGluaXRpYWwgL3Rz LyBhZmZyaWNhdGVzAHoOAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcJABkADAAdACgABQBNAQEggAMADgAAAM4HCQAZAAwA GAARAAUAMQEBCYABACEAAABCNzk4MTZDNjY3NTREMjExOUMyOTQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADBBgEDkAYA oAUAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQAAk+BPmei9AR4AcAAB AAAALQAAAENIQVQ6ICJUJ3Mgb2theSIgYW5kIGluaXRpYWwgL3RzLyBhZmZyaWNhdGVzAAAAAAIB cQABAAAAFgAAAAG96JlPdMYWmLhUZxHSnClERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAf DAEAAAAbAAAAZmZsb3Jlc0B0YXUud2FtYW5pLmFwYy5vcmcAAAMABhAaEx0SAwAHEFADAAAeAAgQ AQAAAGUAAABUT01XSUVSTEFVUklFR0VSSE9MWldST1RFOlNPS0FZSUtOT1dUSElTSVNUT1RBTExZ T0ZGVE9QSUNGUk9NV0hBVFlPVVdFUkVUQUxLSU5HQUJPVVQsQlVUSUNPVUxETlRSRVNJAAAAAAIB CRABAAAACwQAAAcEAABbBwAATFpGdazJg/X/AAoBDwIVAqQD5AXrAoMAUBMDVAIAY2gKwHNldG4y BgAGwwKDMgRGAgBwcHJxMSAIVQeyAoB9fwqACM8J2QKACoENsQtgbuBnMTAzNAr7EvEL8lkToG90 BZAFQFQDcCAGVwiRCotsaTE0NPkC0WktGuMM0BrjGB8ZI8MKjxxlMTggPhwfGRSkTGEIciBHBJBo BvDoeiB3GQI6HYcebx9/BRlBPgYAJ09rYXkOLiIPIx8Yukkga25SbwfgdGgEACAo4XTDGRAHQGx5 IG8N0ClA8HBpYyADUiGQEcAFQL55CGAhkASQIQApYWsLgAxnIAGgCGB0LCBiBywwKEEFoHVsZG4n vnQlfyaPGLoVoACQcwVALyjDAiAh4CrjcyVAIC/Ccwhga2VpLzAgKsBOaBRBKMADkS90MdU/piAo QRswbmQotHYEkK8poAuAGSAwMXQrwSwtX3subxi6YgWQIMAR8ChAJ7c0kDhxCfAgKIA1UGMrwz0D YHU0ETKBK2EqsnBl7SoAbCEAFaBnLPAKwCmR/zjCMnEr8A3QBRA4oBkgNa+/Nr8YujMRMjw8kjz0 aTkh3THALyxQKqAqIGgxcAngkm0pIiBnQ1BhZwtxnTBxUwGQNBALESBFF1C5GsBzaD1vPn8YunAh UOsogBUwZymgKCxyMnEDoP5pBUBFACzlOHExcAhwE6D/BAArwjiGRC4pAgBwRS9GP/8YugrANVAb MDngB0BH8QnwTwNwUIEDoABweXclQHN8KS4zsihzKFA8X1JBdb8pcixQOmA7gAQROQBtTN9bTe8Y uioVoClyKiiwabMVoVGQU29CYirBZENQfxkQMoI7RTjCOqIzoChQd/8s4koCBGAwcTTmCYA00VSv n1W/GLoocivBUZA6KVyP5wviHXhdG1dlKYAsUChQE1kQSdJfcztAYWtf20v4A6BtKaAogHIAwAMg 7lMdsAMARQAtY8Mrwgnw/nZYIAIgULEsSASQAZALgLcpkTKACsFlNJIG4GQpoK8xgSvCMxdRkEkD oGcJ8M8EkAdAYxIowW5rKLRJdN9KAgDQZ8AFMFwxYUyRMXDfRDYFoAIwMlAZQGkCICxQv2ixSSED oCGgSUBfo0E0EXM5AzihZ2gFQGTgEfBs/mZbUFERWAEHggPxa2Er4H8stTFzREFvUz1WHYV0sV8u JwdgBCBk4WYgwGx0/CFfc+wD8CjALCE4cSvC/wGQMgBQ8W1CO0BEYAIwalHta0UiSUEEACJypUoR FaDvC1FnwFsRKaAiMyB5wDiA9wIQK1FtYHYokGLgLFBzUt97MHmie4duETHQbniSc+yYLS1QAaAV MCBGFTFfB5Bhfxy/CsEUwQCCoAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAAQAAHMGBvLo+Y6L0BQAAIMGBvLo+Y 6L0BHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAFyy ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDE890.13D36E40--