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Re: CHAT: Austro-Hungarians and Imperialism

From:andrew <hobbit@...>
Date:Thursday, November 18, 1999, 5:41
Am 11/17 17:58  Thomas R. Wier yscrifef:

> No, the Austro-Hungarian Empire didn't just fall apart at all > after the war -- it had practically already done so by 1918. > The Treaty of Versailles was just the icing on the cake, just > the confirmation of what was already de facto the case. >
I read Roland's original message this morning and spent the rest of the day speculating what would have been the results of a decision not to break up the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It appears to me that after the death of the emperor Franz Josef the house of Habsburg was exhausted and popularly lost the mandate to govern. If they had survived they would have been a shadow monarchy while stronger men governed in their name. I would suggest that a civil war could have broken out between the different peoples of the empire, and like in Spain, this would have been resolved by outside intervention, most likely to the satisfaction of the ruling powers of Germany and Italy. Perhaps a leader could have risen through this who could have had the independence of a Franco and saved lives that would have otherwised died in war and holocaust, more likely is that the Austrian Germans would have been absorbed into Greater Germany and the same results would have occured. Further speculation, I suggest, could be directed to the Conculture list. - andrew. -- Andrew Smith, Intheologus "Death is an evil; the gods have so judged it; had it been good, they would die." - Sappho of Lesbos.