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Re: y sound

From:David Barrow <davidab@...>
Date:Saturday, April 19, 2003, 2:45
I won't argue figures, but most Spanish speakers don't distinguish y and ll,
and the pronunciation for ll (and y) in most of South America is [j].  [dZ],
[Z] and [S] are mostly heard in Argentina and Uruguay


David Barrow

(who grew up and lives in South America)

Christophe Grandsire wrote:

> En réponse à Jessica Husén : > > >According to my teacher in Spanish Phonetics, ll is > >pronounced as y by 98% of the people who have > >Spanish as their first language. > > I don't know how he can possible come to such a figure, seen that if you > talk about the people who have Spanish as first language, you have to > include a lot of South Americans, and in South America the most common > pronunciations for |ll| are [dZ], [Z] and [S], but certainly not [j]! So > you can't get 98% by a long shot. And even if you consider Spain alone, it > doesn't add up. I was taught Spanish with |ll| pronounced [j] only, by a > French teacher of Catalan origin. I had never heard of the [L] > pronunciation. So you can imagine my surprise when, staying one week in > Salamanca, I discovered that everyone, including small children, were > pronouncing |ll| as [L]! As I said, *all* of Castille pronounces |ll| as > [L], and I doubt that it makes only 2% of the Spanish population. > > Christophe Grandsire. > > http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr > > You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.

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