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Re: Genders

From:DOUGLAS KOLLER <laokou@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 6, 2000, 5:40
From: "H. S. Teoh

> Strictly speaking, Mandarin doesn't actually have grammatical gender at > all. I suspect the only place grammatical gender actually appears is in > *written* feminine pronouns, as I said before... AFAIK it doesn't happen > anywhere else. But IIRC, I've actually seen written pronouns "inflected" > (if you call it that) for ... umm... whaddya call it? Written differently > when it refers to God. In fact, that's how the "feminine" written pronouns > are: e.g., "ta1" (nasal, dunno what's the right notation) is written with > two parts; the "feminine" written form just replaces the "human/man" part > on the left with the logograph of "female"; and similarly, a part derived > from God(?) becomes the replacement in the written pronouns referring to > deity. But AFAIK, this makes absolutely no difference in pronunciation at > all, and so basically only exists in writing.
My take on this has been that somewhere a Euro missionary said, "Oh dear, the Chinese can't grammatically distinguish between masculine and feminine, pooh pooh. How backward." Whereupon those Chinese who care about such things had to scramble to show that, indeed, Chinese *was* as sophisticated as the Eurolangs and wildly overcompensated. For "ta1", you can have: ta1 person radical he (originally the catch-all character) ta1 woman radical she ta1 cow radical it (ref. to animals) ta1 revelation radical He (ref. to God) ta1 roof radical (different character from above) it used as a "dummy" value; rarely used, though translationese uses it more frequently. "Ni3", "you" can exhibit a similar distinction between "you, masc.", "you, fem." and "You, God". Less seldom used than "ta1", though "you, fem." seems to occur in the lyrics of many Cantopop love ballads. Kou