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áòðééï: Re: Are conlangs fictional?

From:Dan Sulani <dnsulani@...>
Date:Sunday, March 24, 2002, 18:58
On 23 March, Padraic Brown wrote:

> I would say they are not. Consider them as transdimensionally > imported cultural artifacts. I could make a Star Trek uniform > or an Anian gong just as easily: these objects would not be > fictional, because they have real existence; though they would > still derive from a fictional place.
I have a problem with the "reality" of uniforms (and flags and money and other "official" items) based upon a fictional authority. A uniform, (flag, etc.) is more than just an artifact. It signals "belonging" --- and how does one belong to a non-existent authority? For that matter, I could make myself a uniform from a "real" army in today's "real world" --- but that would not make me a soldier in that army. Is the the uniform "real"? On one hand, as you said above, the clothing exists. (And a soldier of that army would have no problem wearing the uniform I made.) But for _me_ to wear that uniform does not confer upon me any of the uniform's symbolic value. Or take money. I could print money based on a fictional currency. I could even print money based on a real country's currency. In neither case would my money have "official" value. In fact, in the latter case, I could very well go to prison for copying a country's currency! ObConlang: IMHO, conlangs are like complex numbers: there can be both real and imaginary parts! :-) (depending upon where the conlang is used.) Dan Sulani ----------------------------------------------------- likehsna rtem zuv tikuhnuh auag inuvuz vaka'a. A word is an awesome thing.