Re: question on vowel tensing, fronting, backing, ect.

Reilly:
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wel im from central california (lodi)
but "bang" and "ban" have different vowels [e] and [&]
though "bane" has [e]
 >>

Of course, I should specify that this was a phonetic study, not
a phonemic one.  I don't know anyone who would claim that
the vowels in "ban" and "bang" are like the vowel in "bane";
that just happened to be result.

Dana:
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SoCal here, "bang" and "ban" are /b{N/ /b{n/ with "bane" being
/be(I)n/. The loss of the diphthong seems to happen only in more
casual situations.
 >>

All the vowels I measured showed no diphthong at all in "bane"
(or in "bang").  There was a slight off-glide in "ban", though.
The three would be something like:

[beN] "bang"
[be:n] "bane"
[be:@n] "ban"

Dana:
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I was born, raised and spent most of my life in SoCal (left in
late '99).  It's [-iN] there, but can still become [-In] in casual
speech.  Live in E. Tenn now where [-In] is much more common like
in the inceptive marker /fIksInt@/.
 >>

That, of course, is an entirely different matter.  *Everyone* has
[-In] as a variant for "-in'".  There are two different dialects,
though:

Dialect A (Standard):
[-IN] "-ing"
[-In] "-in'"

Dialect B (present in Southern California)
[-in] "-ing"
[-In] "-in'"

That is, there is no velar nasal at all.  It actually spreads to some--
but, interestingly, not all--words that just end in "-ing":

nothing [-in]
something [-in]
everything [-iN]
anything [-iN]

Note that the first two can commonly be abbreviated (and said)
nothin' and somethin'.  This isn't the case with everything and
anything.  I think that has something to do with it.

Though, of course, there *is* a dialect where you *can* clip all
four.

Eric C.:
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Is it my imagination, or is the back version rounded a little? (Maybe
it is just me; if I try hard to produce an [A] as far back as I can,
I tend to round my lips somewhat involuntarily.)
 >>

I wouldn't even begin to guess.  I'd need a native Arabic speaker
for that.  All I know is based on what I heard, and I was hearing
it to learn it, not to analyze it.

-David
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