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Re: Re : Re: A question about connecting sentences

From:Christophe Grandsire <grandsir@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 29, 1999, 7:10
From Http://Members.Aol.Com/Lassailly/Tunuframe.Html wrote:
> > Dans un courrier dati du 28/09/99 17:22:36 , Pablo aicrit : > > > Matt Pearson <jmpearson@...> wrote: > > > > > Tokana forms embedded clauses by adding a suffix to the verb called the > > > "dependent" suffix (Dep). Compare: > > > > > > eta-kia mok-e > > > go-2p home-Dat > > > "you go home" > > > > > > eta-n-kia mok-e > > > go-Dep-2p home-Dat > > > "that you go home" > > > > That's absolutely great! Really simple, yet I hadn't seen that > > or thought about it, ever... Though it reminds me of Japanese > > use of _koto_ (I'm not sure about this; can anybody explain?) > > > > Matt uses a nice different word order : > verb-substantivizer-arguments > > could anyone (Christophe ?) compare it to basque subclause ? >
I'll try :) . As Basque is consistently enough SOV, the order (if I take Mathias's terminology) is: arguments-verb-substantivizer. The main suffix used by Basque subclauses is '-n' (put on the conjugated verb of course). It is used for relative subclauses (with a gap corresponding to the antecedent) and completive subclauses (so the subclauses in "the man that goes home" and "I say that he goes home" are morphologically identical). there are some other suffixes like that, and even a _prefix_ ('ba-', IIRC) to make conditionnal subclauses. For an "as for my conlang", I can tell you about Moten and Chasma"o"cho. Moten functions much like Basque. It is also SOV with verbs that conjugate mainly periphrastically, and uses some suffixes and prefixes on the verb to make it a subclause. The main suffix is '-s' which works much like the Basque '-n' and makes also completive and relative subclauses: koga linedan ipe|laj ito: I see the bird mean-me bird-Acc.Def see-Inf be-Pres koga ipe|laj itos linean: the bird that I see mean-me see-Inf be-Pres-Rel bird-Nom.Def koga linedan ipe|laj itos ga isej ito: mean-me bird-Acc.Def see-Inf be-Pres-Rel me-Nom say-Inf be-Pres I say that I see the bird In Chasma"o"cho, there are multiple ways to muke subclauses, but here again relative subclauses and completive subclauses work the same way. Here, it is not not the verb of the subclause that is marked, but the verb of the principal clause (for completives) or the noun completed (for relatives). They are both put in construct state when completed by a subclause. And in the relative subclause, the pro-stem 'int' is used as a resumptive to represent the antecedent (it's due to the fact that this language being (VO)S or VSO with a possibility of topicalisation in front of the verb, in relatives the antecedent seems to be in topicalised place of the relative and can thus be represented by the pro-stem). Both completive and relative subclauses are then closed by the particle 'ae' (which is replaced by the 'chiu' of negation if the subclause is negative). For example: taral cluumintac ae /taR'al klum@nt'akaj/ taral 0-cluum-int-ac ae sugar (construct state) 3si-eat (normal stem)-resumpt-1s particle But as for "want", I'll use a modal verb I think, so the construction will be something like: want (construct stem) eat (stem I think), with the subject between them if other then a subject suffix and the stem 'eat' left alone.
> > > > > --Pablo Flores > > > > > > mathias
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