Re: Nakiltipkaspimak goes active!
|From:||daniel andreasson <daniel.andreasson@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, November 16, 2000, 16:05|
> Hmm. Well, you're absolutely right. I did mean "theory" in a different
> sense. I meant it in the form of "one principle that can account for all
> kinds of data, including stuff that isn't directly related to the topicit
> was developed for". They give one principle of case, without referenceto
> the different patterns (ie, accusative, ergative, active), and derive all
> the patterns from that one principle. They're idea, in layman's terms,is
> that each noun must be within the sphere of influence of ("governed by")a
> "case assigning" element (ie adposition or verb). The differences in the
> types come out when two elements are in the same area
I'm sure that works fine. It's just that I'm a bit skeptical about
the whole tree idea. Whenever something doesn't fit, just add another
tag to the CP. Oh well. I don't want to go into a discussion about
generative grammar that I know so little about.
> You could treat indirect objects like subjects. Some people haveproposed
> that indirect objects are in fact some kind of secondary subject.According
> to these people, "X gives Y Z" can be semantically decomposed into "Xcauses
> Y has Z". So "John gave Mary a gift" is "John caused Mary to have agift."
> There is interesting support for the idea. Compare the followingexamples:
> *Who did the brother of give Mary a gift? (Pretty incomprehensible)
> *Who did John give the sister of a gift? (Huh? What is that supposed to
> Who did John give Mary a picture of? (Perfectly okay.)
> So the indirect object patterns more with the subject than the direct
That's a nice idea! I'm thinking about making causativization really
productive too, so perhaps I can do something in that area.
> On the other hand, this goes against the idea that in head marking
> languages, the indirect object takes over the role as the agreeingobject.
> (Unless you're a generativist, in which case that is expected because
> agreement disregards grammatical roles almost entirely in favor of
Oh no!!! I'll have to abandon the idea now. Thanks a lot for mentioning
this Marcus... Just kidding. ;-)
> I'm not sure how to implement this for Pimak, but I thought I might makethe
Yeah. Yet another thing to do. Hmmm... If I put my advisor in a
space ship that makes almost the speed of light and send her away
for a couple of days, that would buy me some time. Now where can
I find a space ship like that...? :-P
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