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Re: YASPT

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 9, 2003, 10:45
At 19:53 8.12.2003, Pavel Iosad wrote:
>Hello, > > > But my vocalic inventory has a worrying hole where you'd > > expect a short /e/.
Mine doesn't, but I clearly belong to the minority. BTW my distribution of /e(:)/ and /E(:)/ mostly agrees with etymology where it disagrees with spelling.
>Precisely what we're taught. But the teacher does concede that some >central dialects do have it (Stockholm is supposed to have it as well, >IIRC, which makes me wonder why that didn't make it into rikssvenska if >the assertion is correct).
Because Rikssvenska is not based on Stockholmska but on Uppsaliska. Moreover the merger is recent. At 10:48 9.12.2003, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>Quoting Pavel Iosad <edricson@...>: > > > Hello, > > > > > But my vocalic inventory has a worrying hole where you'd > > > expect a short /e/. > > > > Precisely what we're taught. But the teacher does concede that some > > central dialects do have it (Stockholm is supposed to have it as well, > > IIRC, which makes me wonder why that didn't make it into rikssvenska if > > the assertion is correct). > >My mother's West Gautic dialect has it too.
You mean the distinction or the merger?
>Many Stockholmers merge /e:/ and /E:/ as [e:], so retaining the distinction >for the short ones would produce the opposite assymmetry. That's not to say >they can't be doing it, of course.
But IME they don't.
> Andreas
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