Re : transitivity
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|Date:||Wednesday, May 26, 1999, 20:34|
Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 26/05/99 12:16:36 , Daniel a =E9crit :
> Hello all.
> I've been thinking about making a lang which distinguishes
> between zero-transitive, intransitive, transitive and=20
> ditransitive (is that the English term?) verbs in that
> the conjugation would be different in each form.
> (And possibly also distinguish between verbs that
> don't have an agent, eg. "I sleep" and verbs that do.)
> 0. (It) rains [no S or O]
> 1. I sleep [only S]
> 2. I eat (food) [S and O]
> 3. I give (it to you) [1 S and 2 Os]
> A second thought:
> Perhaps this is just some kind of object agreement on
> the verb:
> "-y" =3D hey, there are no objects!
> "-e" =3D listen up, there's an object as well.
> "-u" =3D look out, two objects coming your way!
> "-i" =3D what? Not even a subject?
> Then I might expand this into:
> "-er" =3D there's an object and it's 1p. (I.e. probably me)
> "-et" =3D one object and it's 2p.
> "-ek" =3D one object, 3p.
> =3D> Na mrinek nando.=20
> 1p.sg. eat.1obj.3p food.
> This might be really fun!
> Do you have any comments?
Only very trivial things :=20
processive =3D the man eats the soup
transformative =3D the man makes potatoes into a soup
applicative =3D the house shelters the children
You could check all possible "transitive" and "ditransitive" maps. They are=20
quite a few, but as Matt said a few days ago : with three dozens of=20
"preverbs" (or cases) you round up the bunch of them.=20
OFF TOPIC ("me too" lines) :
I don't use "transitive" nor "ditransitive" verbs or cases anymore. I have=20
three dozen specific preverb-cases (they could be semantically "refined" int=
thousands). As Sally said, they could be English verbs like "to get", "to=20
put", "to do", etc. :
I speak =3D I (kana) perform (ota/eta) a speech (tunu).
tunu ota kana / kana ete tunu.
this is said =3D this is topic of a speech.
tunu ome toke / toke eme tunu.
you are spoken to =3D you (are expected to) perceive the speech.
tunu ooki kamu / kamu eeki tunu.
I tell this to you =3D speech is performed by me (and) regards this (and) is=20
(expected to be) perceived by you.
tunu ota kana ome toke ooki kamu / kana eta tunu ome toke ooki kamu.
"to be expected to" is a handy way of making an intransitive subject into a=20
> Daniel Andreasson