>> > >> For instance, words like "no/know" get rendered as
>> > >> [no-y].
>
>> Here, 'no' is [no-u]
>We've settled, I believe, that [u] is close to the vowel in 'could' and
>more precisely the vowel in the SA/QLD pronunciation of 'school'.
>Surely you're not saying that 'no' ends with the vowel in 'could'?
I think whats happened here is a confusion in the transcribing of IPA
symbols. Probably me at fault. I assumed that [u] is the IPA lower-case u
and [U] is the IPA upside-down horseshoe thing. I'm not sure what the [w] is
supposed to be. I've also assumed that [y] is the IPA y, but I'm almost
certain I've got that one right. (what happens when you join a message thing
and jump in half-way through a discussion without properly going through the
archives...)
After many repitions (which may bring down the actual reliability) and
listening to the vowels [y], [u-] and [u] (at least my symbols for them):
'no' ends in a vowel like tooth, but not quite. It's not far enough front to
be called [y], nor even [u-]. About a third of the way from [u] to [u-].
>Whereas the vowel in the NSW/VIC pronunciation of 'school' is apparently
>[y] but I don't know how to tell the difference between that and [U].
>It's the same vowel as in 'moon'.
The Victorian pronounciation of school is actually a long version of the
sound in good, I think.
>> I think this is right. After reading this message and using a program i'd
>> found somewhere that gives the pronounciations of IPA sounds, I've had to
>> reverse me way of thinking as far as [u]/[U]s go.
>Looks to me like they're pretty mixed up on your table. Are you sure?
Nup.
--Tristan
PS. Have I sent any messages to anybody rather then to the mailing list? I
just realised that either a) this email group doesn't have a reply-to header
or b) Outlook ignores it. Or c) I've accidentally set Outlook to ignore it.