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THEORY: [i:]=[ij]? (was Re: Pronouncing "Boreanesia")

From:Eric Christopherson <raccoon@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 1, 2000, 4:22
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 06:28:14AM -0700, dirk elzinga wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Roger Mills wrote: > > Faster might be > > /"bory@'niyz@/. Remember--ingrained US phonemics habit: my y's are IPA > > [j]. > > I also note the typically American habit of transcribing the tense > vowel with two symbols: [iy].
This is something that's been bugging me for a while: My phonetics textbook says that in English /i:/ and /u:/ are [iy] and [uw], respectively. It claims that these are diphthongs, and the second element is a glide. But how can you glide from one sound to the same sound? I thought a glide had to be something different from the other vowel (like [ai]), and it's my understanding that [y] and [w] are for practical purposes the equivalent to [i] and [u], respectively. What gives? P.S. Another thing that really annoys me about this textbook, and others I have seen, is that it uses the transcription /y/ for IPA /j/, and a few other silly things that aren't the same as IPA. On top of that, my professor calls *that* transcription system "the international phonetic alphabet" which it is not, AFAICS (as far as I can see). *Fume!* -- Eric Christopherson / *Aiworegs Ghristobhorosyo