Re: Educational conlanging
|From:||Sai Emrys <sai@...>|
|Date:||Friday, August 17, 2007, 22:51|
On 8/17/07, Fredrik Ekman <ekman@...> wrote:
> On Fri, August 17, 2007 12:03 am, Sai Emrys said:
> > What sort of conlanging do you do exactly?
> Without going into any details right now, I basically have three different
> tasks. [snip]
I suggest you talk to Donald Boozer about the presentation he uses for
his conlang workshop; it sounds similar for the basic parts, and you
may get some ideas from each other.
> The third task is the BIG one. Create your own language. No limits. Only
> three have attempted this one so far, two of them working together. While
> their attempts are sometimes a bit naive (hey, what were your languages
> like in your early teens?) some of their output is absolutely fantastic.
> They make backgrounds and alphabets and calendars and all very seriously.
> I sometimes have to pull a bit to make them work on their grammars (which
> is the important stuff to me).
That's very neat. What do they normally concentrate on, without
prompting? Any predictive difference in the people who take a greater
interest in the full project vs the basic ones?
How long do you have to allocate for such a project? 9 months 1hr/day?
3 months 1hr/wk? I would imagine that it makes a fairly large
> > How does it go over with your school, parents, kids, etc?
> My colleagues and headmaster trust that I do what I have to in order to do
> my job, which is to give the pupils opportunities to fulfil their
> educational goals. Those few comments I have had from parents so far have
> been overwhelmingly positive. ("I don't know what you're doing to my
> daughter, but it's great! We had a long talk today about how languages
> work and the use of grammar.") The kids, at first, are amused and slightly
> surprised. Then they become frustrated. Then frantic. Finally proud. The
> only ones who failed so far did so out of laziness.
That sounds excellent.
I would be very interested to see some sort of longitudinal
observation of any differences in the language ability of those who
have your conlang-based teaching vs those who don't. E.g. does it have
noticeable effects a year or two later? Do they remember it later on,
or develop it on their own, or just forget it as yet another childhood
> > Without being overly self-promoting, I suggest you talk with us at the
> > Language Creation Society (email@example.com) about publishing.
> I never heard of the LCS before (I have been inactive, remember). But
> since everyone else probably has, perhaps you could clue me in with an
> appropriate link or write more in a private e-mail.
The LCS is a recently created organization made to promote and support
conlanging in various ways. I am its president; Henrik Theiling is the
vice president, David Peterson the secretary/treasurer, and there are
another 7 board members. Its current main business is to run the
Language Creation Conference (http://conlangs.berkeley.edu) in the
forseeable future, but we are expanding into other things, such as
developing a respectable publication program, and a variety of other
The LCS is a non-profit membership corporation out of California (but
international in scope). We haven't yet received the official
blessings of the US tax service, which we expect within a couple
months; that's when we'll be able to open up for memberships and the
I hope that answers your question; let me know if it's unclear.
> > I'd also suggest you join & backread the CONTEACHING list
> Hah! I just knew I was not alone in my madness. And since there is a
> conlist for just about every imaginable purpose, why not a conteaching
> list as well. I just signed up and have caught up on the archives. Will
> post there tomorrow.
Glad to hear it. :)
The CONTEACHING list basically grew out of a little list I was keeping
in my head of the people I knew of who'd done (or planned, or were
interested in) such things, as I've been keeping track for ~3 years
now. I wanted to give us a place to talk in more detail and not spam
everyone on CONLANG while sharing syllabi and worksheets and the like.
It's still a pretty small list, but every so often we get someone new
from a somewhere interesting who's been doing it for a while and
thought they were the only one... sorta like conlanging in general