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List of natlangs (was Re: Orthography Question)

From:Joshua Shinavier <jshinavi@...>
Date:Tuesday, November 10, 1998, 14:15
Hello fellow language-makers

> So, does anyone have a preference / suggestion for which i should use? > How do you represent foreign words/names in your conlangs?
This ties in with something I was thinking of asking about naming foreign languages/countries in a conlang; what I usually do is to simply approximat= e the name using my conlang's phonetics, e.g. England --> "Ingland", France --> "Frans", Austria --> "=D6styrrayx", whereby I always try to use = the *native* word as my model -- the problem being that I only know so many languages even superficially, the rest I can't name unless I want to use second-hand words, like English/German "Indonesian/Indonesisch" --> "Indon=EBz=EFav=EBn", or "Indon=EBj=EFav=EBn", etc. I once tried to system= atically name the major languages of the world by following Internet language links and determining the native pronunciation of each language, but I spent a ma= tter of several hours on the project and had only gotten as far as Albanian, wit= hout even all the languages before that properly named, due to scanty material. I was wondering if anyone else has had similar problems and whether conlang= ers would be interested in creating a list of as many languages/place names as the collective lot of us know in their native pronunciations, to put on the Internet somewhere as a permanent conlangers' resource (e.g. as part of the Conlang FAQ). The entries could be organized alphabetically by their Engli= sh names (I'm definitely not partial to English, but it's the standard Conlang language...), with the pronunciation written in IPA. For instance, some simple entries might look like this: Sweden: national language: --> Swedish in Swedish: Sverige ['sverijE] Swedish: national language of --> Sweden in Swedish: Svenska ['svEnsk'A] Switzerland: national languages: --> French (official language) --> German (official language) --> Italian (official language) --> Rhaeto-Romanish in French: Suisse [suis] in German: Schweiz [SvAjts] in Italian: Svizzera [svItzera] (I think...) in Rhaeto-Romanish: ... [...] =20 ("..." means I'm not sure -- someone more knowledgeable about natlangs will have to fill in the blanks!) Would this be useful? If the rest of you CONLANGers are willing to lend yo= ur knowledge (especially the actual trained linguists on the list :), I could put the list together from private e-mails and then post it here for genera= l use, scrutiny, and expansion. Josh Shinavier