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Re: How to kick the infinitive habit

From:Doug Barr <lingoman@...>
Date:Friday, October 13, 2006, 21:09
Halkomelem Salish doesn't have infinitives either, it uses
nominalized verbs with the article that refers to hypothetical or
remote entities. The example below is in the Cowichan/Island
dialect's orthography (more or less - the spacing of the 1Sg
possessive prefix and the nominalizing prefix is problematic and
differs by dialect, I am using the Musqueam/Downriver dialect's
spacing because I am more familiar with that dialect). Note that "u"
represents the schwa /@/ - also, the best CXS equivalent for
"tl'" (ejective lateral affricate, I *think*) I can come up with is /
t_K_>/. Morphologically the nominalizing s- is a prefix, however it
does NOT cause de-aspiration of a following non-ejective stop in
verbal nominalizations (it does as a noun prefix), so can be written
suffixed to the previous word in verbal contexts.

As written:
Nustl'i' kw'unus nem'. /n@'st_K_>i? ,k_w_>@n@s 'nem?/

Morphologically:
Nu-s-tl'i' kw'u nu-s-nem' = my-[nominalizer]-want/be.precious
the.remote.or.hypothetical.event/entity my-[nominalizer]-go

Translation:
(Literal) My (hypothetical) going [is] what I want. (Free) I want to go.

'S fhearr an saoghal ionnsachadh na sheachnadh. Better to teach (or
learn) the world than shun it. (Gaelic proverb)

On Oct 1, 2006, at 12:24 PM, R A Brown wrote:

> > Indeed there are - modern Greek is an example that comes to mind > immediately. Where other languages may use an infinitive or gerund, > modern Greek use a clause: na + subjunctive. > > Thus, e.g. I want go/ I wanna go ---> I want that I (should) go > Smoking is forbidden/ It is forbidden to smoke ---> That you > (should) smoke is forbidden. > etc.