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From:Aquamarine Demon <aquamarine_demon@...>
Date:Sunday, November 25, 2001, 2:10
>I think I know what you mean, though I think I pronounce "awful" >differently than you do. By "ah" do you mean like the sound in "father" >(which we probably pronounce the same)?
Yeah, that's what I meant
>For me, "awful" has the same vowel as "awe," "law," and "all" (something >like /O/).
The "a" in awful and in father are the same to me...
>But I do use the "ah" sound in "father" (that's /A/) in my pronunciation >of "Nevada," and I've heard your way of saying it but it always sounds >funny.
No offense, but you're way of saying it sounds stupid to us natives (believe me, I'm 4th/5th generation Nevadan;) ). ;)
>I suppose I pronounce "Nevada"'s vowels as if it were Spanish, but then >twist them into English phonology, so the first and last syllables get >reduced, and it becomes [n@"vA4V]. The word probably did come from >Spanish, didn't it?
Yeah, means something like snowy or snow-capped....
>I don't know where the /{/ (that's your "Nevada" >vowel, I believe) comes >from.
Don't ask me; I don't know what /{/ means. ;)
>Then again... though /A/ is perfectly fine to have in a stressed syllable >and there are many words that have it, it seems people don't like saying >it in loan words (I'm thinking of "Taliban," which I would say /tAlIbAn/ >but I often hear on the news as /t{lIb{n/). > >Josh Roth
Ah, I see.....
>Yes...on Craig Rd halfway between Nellis AFB and North Las Vegas Airport. >It's great fun for me, I sit out in the back yard when I'm visitng and >watch the airshow every day: Cessnas, F-16s, Pipers, B-52s...=)
Ah, nifty... I live near McCarran Airport... not near N. LV... ;)
>CNN English is my term for general American English. Like BBC English is >the generic British English. > >---frank
Oh! It all makes sense!! ;)
>Maybe part of the answer is historical. Words imported into English >through the romance languages, especially French, may show a stronger >tendency to mute initial h, whereas Germanic words (house, heaven etc) do >not. Just a quick hypotesis - nothing Earthshattering! >Mike
That's possible... but why "a history" but "an historical"?
>(...) >That Nik uses this as a regular feature of his idiolect throws me for a >loop. > >Kou
Not to mention 3 out of 4 people in my house, including myself.... ;)
>Yet, only before unstressed vowels. I still say "A history". I think >part of the reason is that before stressed vowels, my /h/ is pronounced >with greater force. Before an unstressed vowel, like "historic", the >/h/ is very soft, barely there, and is thus not strong enough to force >"a" to be used. So, /@ "hIstr=i/ vs. /In (h)Is'torIk/. That weak /h/ >is ignored in determining the form of the article. > >-- >ICQ: 18656696 >AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42
That explanation does make sense... In fact, that's just what I do!
>what about the difference between pronouncing the article "a" as >in
"take" or "a" as in the vowel sound of "monkey"... is it completely
>random and arbitrary or is there some sort of logic behind it... i >tried saying "a monkey" with both pronounciations and neither one >sounded better than the other... or am i the only person who >pronounces it in two different ways... > >are you often a monkey? >~nicole
I pronounce it 2 different ways, too... I think.... not sure how I'd differentiate between when I use one or the other though.. That's the problem with being a native English speaker... I've never thought about it!
>I can't speak for you, but for me, /ej/ is used when it's stressed, "I >saw *a* monkey, not two", and /@/ is for when it's unstressed, "I saw a >monkey at the zoo" > >-- >"There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, >you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - >overheard >ICQ: 18656696 >AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42
I think that's part of it for me, too. There's probably other instances, though. Where are you from? Just curious... ===== The Aquamarine Demon Gesám ayi mozuká. Gesám dohíng mozuká. Gesám adohíng mozuká! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1