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CONLANG Digest - 8 Nov 2000 (metathesis, 'foied vino'..)

From:Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
Date:Friday, November 10, 2000, 14:19
> From: Roger Mills <romilly@...> > Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 5 Nov 2000 > > Eric Christopherson wrote: > > >On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 01:23:06AM -0500, Muke Tever wrote: > >> Are "regular" metathesis changes common? > >> Hadwan A has *[affricate][liquid] -> [sibilant][stop][liquid],
> >> meaning stuff like */tsr/ becomes /str/. > > > >I really like that change :)> > But a little unnatural, unless the /ts/ is a cluster, not a unit.
Right, it is a little odd (Hadwan B doesn't have this rule) but the language can't bear a cluster like /tsr/. (In B it adds an epenthetic /U/ -> /tsUr/...)
> (Imagine Engl. /c/ [tS] "undoing" itself to become [St].....?)
Mmm, a 'tree -> shtree' rule would be odd... Maybe if it went like this: tsr -> sr -> str (In which case B would have /sUr/ instead?) (/r/ in Hadwan is a Spanish-<r> type /r/.)
> Still, it > could result from historical changes: suppose proto-clusters *t+s+vowel > and *t+s+r+vowel; (Rule 1) the cluster *t+s metathesizes /__r; (Rule 2)
> cluster *t+s > unit /ts/.
Maybe. Eliott wrote:
> > Luca ániyë > > This is evident in prosody... prevocalic ending m was dropped: > > > > You're right of course, but one has to wonder why final -m > > drops out in the example given: > > > > foied vino pipafo cra carefo = classical: hodie vinum bibam cras carebo > > "Today I will drink wine and tomorrow I will lack it" > > > > Where the -m is not prevocalic. It could be that Roman poets > > knowlingly limited a wide spread rule of -m deletion to occur only > > before vowels. I'll try to find out more about this ....
I thought "Foied vino..." was a _Faliscan_ inscription? (Faliscan being, yes, close to Latin, but not Latin nonetheless...) *Muke! --