H. S. Teoh wrote:
>>I didn't think most dialects would distinguish these two, or if the did,
>>this would be the fronter... You speak stupid English, Joe :P
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>You mean he speaks non-Australian. :-P
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Yeah, that's what I said, stupid English.
>Where I grew up, 'good' is [gu:d] and 'lute' is [ljut].
>
Okay then... is the vowel in 'good' lengthened because of the /d/, then?
e.g. would foot be /fu:t/ or /fut/?
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>You're right, 'bird' can also be [b8:d].
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Of course I am! You implying I'm ever wrong now?!
>Although around these parts it's more often pronounced [bIrd] or [br=d].
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Freaks! :P
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>It's not just Americans; Canadians also say [hr=I] or [hVrI].
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[hVrI] I can deal with, but [hr=I] sounds like her-ry.
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>At least 'day' and 'die' don't rhyme in my idiolect! :-P
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They don't in mine, either. /d&i/ and /d6i/. It's not my fault if you
think /d&i/ sounds like your 'die'.
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>>And I expect [au] to be the vowel in 'coat', what's it to ya?
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>[au]?! That's really odd. The vowel in 'coat' is [o:] or at worst [o@].
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Perfectly normal for broader Aussie English is spoken by altogether too
many people from these 'ere parts (outer south-eastern suburbs of
Melbourne).
>What's "dark l"?
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Veralised? The variety found when not before vowels in many English
dialects... I believe it's the sort in Polish before Polish saw fit to
turn it into /w/.
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>>/@i;/ been, [i] when unstressed (e.g. family [f&:mli])
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>That's weird. For me, /been/ is always [i] or [I].
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No it's not, perfectly normal... A phonetically monophthongal
phonemically diphthong is stupid, it's just sensible that we'd want to
diphthongise it. (/0;/ is just a bit of a slacker...)
>>/I:/ beer, feel (often [I@])
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>For me it's [bi@r].
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I call that a speech impediment. :P
>>/e:/ hair
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>Weird, I have /&/ here. (Being a-e as you state below.)
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Another one of those stupid speech impediments of yours. Learn to talk
proper!
>>/&/ can (aux.) (being the a-e ligature)
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>We agree here. :-)
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No we don't, they differ phonetically...
>>/&i/ cane (Americans often hear this as kine)
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>That's strange. I'd also hear it as "kine". My vowel is [eI] here.
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Yeah, well... you're one of *them* aren't you? Out to get the rest of us!
>>/&:/ can (n.)
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>Yep.
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Really? I was under the impression that Americans were foolish enough to
diphthongise that into something like /&@/, and your speech seems
awfully American...
>>/&u/ town
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>Odd. I have /aU/.
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You should see a doctor about that, you know? :P
>>/O/ tonne
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>To me it's [a] or [V]. [O] is weird. ;-)
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No, /O/ is what it always was and always should be.
>>/O:/ gone (and only gone, stupid isolated phoneme)
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>I have this vowel in 'gone', 'sawn', 'fawn', 'morn', etc..
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>>/o:/ born, fawn
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>Weird, I have [O:] here.
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I understand. These things do happen.
>>/8u/ stone [Ou] before /l/
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>Weird. I have [oU] here.
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You have too many dropped /l/s then. :P
Tristan. (well, that was fun, wasn't it? Take any of it personally and,
if I ever raise the funds to find you, you probably should see a doctor
afterwards. People who take humor personally deserve what's coming to them.)
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