Re: CHAT: IPA Question

On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 05:54:46PM +1100, Tristan wrote:
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> >I'm confused... which vowel is this?? In *my* English idiolect, the vowel
> >here would be [u], same as in "lute" or "good".
> >
> Central rounded high vowel, u-dashed. Most dialects of English that I'm
> familiar with have the vowel in lute or root moving forward. And the
> vowel in root and good are different.
Ahh, actually you're right. I do hear people pronounce 'book' as [b8k],
although I pronounce it somewhere between [buk] and [bUk].

> >>/u/  lute
> >>
> I didn't think most dialects would distinguish these two, or if the did,
> this would be the fronter... You speak stupid English, Joe :P
You mean he speaks non-Australian. :-P

Where I grew up, 'good' is [gu:d] and 'lute' is [ljut].

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> >>/8/  road
> >>
> >>
> >Hmm. My idiolect has [oU] in "road". I was under the impression [8]
> >doesn't exist in English?
> >
> It does in mine: /b8:d/, being bird. It's a dialectal thing! How he gets
> a different vowel in 'road' and 'phone', I dunno..
You're right, 'bird' can also be [b8:d]. Although around these parts it's
more often pronounced [bIrd] or [br=d].

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> >>/@/  run
> >>
> >>
> >I have [V] here.
> >
> Americans have problems distinguishing the two... listening to a song
> being song my an American, I had no idea what word the singer was
> saying. Turned out it was 'hurry', but he pronounced it /hr\=i/
It's not just Americans; Canadians also say [hr=I] or [hVrI].

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> >>/O/  saw
> >>
> >>
> >To me, [O] and [A] are homophonous.
> >
> Yeah, well, you're a freak :P
At least 'day' and 'die' don't rhyme in my idiolect! :-P

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> >Hmm. I have [au] for "cloud".
> >
> And I expect [au] to be the vowel in 'coat', what's it to ya?
[au]?! That's really odd. The vowel in 'coat' is [o:] or at worst [o@].

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> >>/L\/  litt'le'
> >>
> >>
> >Is that the same as [l=]?
> >
> Same as before, I'm gessing /L\/ is dark l.
What's "dark l"?

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> (If you cared, I have:
>
> /I/     bit
Same here.

> /@i;/   been, [i] when unstressed (e.g. family [f&:mli])
That's weird. For me, /been/ is always [i] or [I].

> /I:/    beer, feel (often [I@])
For me it's [bi@r].

> /e/     bet
Close enough. :-)

> /e:/    hair
Weird, I have /&/ here. (Being a-e as you state below.)

> /&/     can (aux.) (being the a-e ligature)
We agree here. :-)

> /&i/    cane (Americans often hear this as kine)
That's strange. I'd also hear it as "kine". My vowel is [eI] here.

> /&:/    can (n.)
Yep.

> /&u/    town
Odd. I have /aU/.

> /6 or a/ hut
Yeah, it's either [V] or [a] for me.

> /6i, ai/ hight (Americans often say this like hate)
> /6:, a:/ heart, fAther
Yep. Though some people here pronounce /father/ as [fADr=].

> /O/      tonne
To me it's [a] or [V]. [O] is weird. ;-)

> /O:/     gone (and only gone, stupid isolated phoneme)
I have this vowel in 'gone', 'sawn', 'fawn', 'morn', etc..

> /o:/     born, fawn
Weird, I have [O:] here.

> /u/      book
I also have [u] here, but local Canadians seem to prefer [U].

> /0:/     flute [u:] before /l/ (e.g. [tu:l]) (The central high rounded
> vowel, this particular representation is stolen from TIPA on the grounds
> of the fact that { and } are too confusing.)
Yep.

> /8u/     stone [Ou] before /l/
Weird. I have [oU] here.

> /8:/     bird
Can also be [br=d] around my neck of the woods.

> /@/      About
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Yep.


T

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