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Re: Russian phonetics question [Was: What's SHCH?]

From:Tristan Mc Leay <kesuari@...>
Date:Monday, July 26, 2004, 14:57
Stephen Mulraney wrote:

> Tristan Mc Leay wrote: > >> Stephen Mulraney wrote: > > >>> about this have been quite firm that it's actually [\s:] (or something >> >> ... >> >>> counterpart, [\z:] or so. My question is not so much "is this true?" >> > > >> Hmm, what's [\s] and [\z]? Must we introduce entirely new ASCII-IPAs >> that don't even seem to have the remotest similarity with SAMPA? > > > > Well, why not? I think this list has proved a fertile breeding ground of > systems that aren't quite X-SAMPA :).
Well, SAMPA, X-SAMPA and CXS are all related so I'm fine if use any of them... it's normally apparent when incompatible difference are used (and if you use pure X-SAMPA and do happen to use a dialect of English that has an open front rounded vowel in 'bat', well, you're a freak and deserve to have to state what encoding you're using!).
> Actually, I usually stick to X-SAMPA plus one or two additions (which > means may or may not be using the current version of CXS. I was nomail > for a period during which I think some changes were made... Where can I > see the current state of CXS, BTW?),
<>. 'Changes' are very rarely made. In fact, apart from adding the alternative stress and tie markings, I haven't changed it since it was uploaded. It's more meant to be a codification of CXS that was in use when I created it to help prevent confusion and prevent unnecessary drift from that.
> but on this occassion, influenced > by my keymap for VIM, I managed to write the symbols backwards. I meant > [s\:] and [z\:], not [\s:] and [\z:] :). In anycase, this accidental > metathesis probably had the useful effect to forestalling any protests > of the kind "Russian has [s_d_j_k], not [s\:]!"
> >> [kor\s] >> would be very misleading indeed with yours. > > > Hmm, let's not spead the connection between this cock-up and my name too > far, now... I can just see it now: "Of course, I'm using Stephen > Mulraney's systems, which, I know, is hopelessly ambiguous and > completely unnecessary, but hey! I kind of like it! And flame him, not > me."
Sorry... I assumed it was a cock-up till it came out twice entirely differently! -- | Tristan. | To be nobody-but-yourself in a world | kesuari@yahoo! | which is doing its best to, night and day, | | to make you everybody else--- | | means to fight the hardest battle | | which any human being can fight; | | and never stop fighting. | | --- E. E. Cummings, "A Miscellany" | | | | In the fight between you and the world, | | back the world. | | --- Franz Kafka, | | "RS's 1974 Expectation of Days"