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Re: OT: Definitely Not YAEPT: English phoneme inventory?

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Thursday, July 17, 2003, 4:38
Mark J. Reed wrote:
> > > > \ä\ as o in mop /A/ a > Is that script a/alpha (ɑ, X-SAMPA /A/) or Roman a (X-SAMPA /a/)?
Usually the Roman a. If you were describing the phonemic system of a particular dialect, you might use other symbols, but there would always be a statement to the effect "This dia/idiolect substitutes /A/ for /a/"
> > > The "^" of course are haceks/carons. > Otherwise known as "backspace, roll the paper down a tick, and type a v". > There were one or two things that were easier with typewriters. Not > enough to make it worthwhile to go back to using them, of course. :) > > > > \r\ /r\/ > > Did they actually use the turned r (ɹ, IPA equivalent of X-SAMPA /r\/), or
just
> the regular right-side up one that stands for a trilled R in IPA?
Oops, missed that one. Yes, the regular r. You have to keep in mind that "phonemes" are just symbols for the relevant, meaningful contrasts. Their actual realization i.e. allophones was discussed separately, and _then_ you might use correct IPA symbols. I'm sure the choice of symbols was greatly influenced by the typewriter keyboard. (I once filed the period off the ? symbol, so I'd have a proper glottal stop.) Phonemics also found its way into Schools of Education, and one more set of symbols to learn would certainly have confused the budding English teachers.
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