Re: OT: Definitely Not YAEPT: English phoneme inventory?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Definitely Not YAEPT: English phoneme inventory?


> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:30:58PM +0100, Ian Spackman wrote:
> > >I didn't think /x/ occurred in any English words, though, which would
> > >make it not an English phoneme. It's a common enough sound that most
> > >English speakers have heard it, but not in native words.
> >
> >
> > You don't consider loch an English word?  (To take the most obvious
> > example.)
>
> Ah, well, no, I don't.  Or didn't.  I thought "loch" was Scots Gaelic, not
> Scots English.  If it's Scots English, then I withdraw my objection to the
> inclusion of /x/ as an English phoneme. :)
It is a Scots Gaelic borrowing into Scots(not neccesarily English).  Hence
Irish 'lough'.  But it refers in (British) English usage to any Scottish
lake, and so, is an English word.

> -Mark
>