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OT realpolitik (wazRe: Cornomerus, if you're going to criticize what I've written - and you have a couple good points - I would appreciate more than that

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 22:48
In a message dated 2003:12:14 09:51:59 PM, Padraic <elemtilas@...>
writes in response to Robert Jung <RobertMJung@...>:

>> > But never mind that; your post seemed like >> you don't care about what happened - that politics >> doesn't matter. > >HERE, they dón't matter. HERE we are conlangers. >HERE we are interested in how we construct >languages and their cultures.
Hear hear! Of course one can be "subversive" about politics and create a conlang &/or conculture with any kind of socio-political worldview... And that is quite fun and a challenge... In the past we on the List have had an Axis (German-Japanese-Italian) conlang idea that had a neo-Fascistic worldview... My g0miileg0 is a "Neo-Futurist/Konstruktivist/Dada" conlang (a more specifically a polyglot _mangalang_ of Greco-Latinate, Novial, Japanese, Sanskrit, Pidgin English and Creole languages - i.e. Bislama; Dutch, Finnish, etc.) with a decidedly "libertarian socialist" worldview (conservative militant Anarchist a la Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Piotr Kropotkin, Mikel Bakunin, Ba Jin, Hugo Ball, Wassily Kandinsky, Nestor Makhno, Thomas Merton & William S. Burroughs).
> Believe you me, >there are enough French and Germans and >miscelaneous others here for any politically >active Merkins to go all postal on.
Too true. Even the small faction of us here who are "libertarian socialists" (radical Greens to Anarcho-Communists) have major arguements about trusting - or not trusting - social/cultural change to the masses and the so-call _lumpenproletariat_... with the nasty charges of "intellectual class elitistism" and "bleedin'hearted bourgeois liberalism" being tossed like over-ripe grenades.
>We could turn >this place into a political flamefest royale, if >we wanted to. No thank you, we don't want any.
Hear hear! Besides my abestos suit from my Auxlanging days is sorely outta date... and it took a very hard battering from my highly ill-advised excursion into the uber-fanatically on-line world of _Star Trek vs. Star Wars_...
>> It was _extremely_ sarcastic. > >You got that right, pal! > >>You >> could have >> > been a bit _more_ the opposite of sarcastic >> (what is >> > it?). > >Nice?
*gRRR-ssssnaRRRL-ssssPpPuTTTTeRRR!* Frik _nice_!!! ;) --- º°`°º ø,¸¸,ø º ° ° º ø ¸ , ø º º ø ø º Hanuman Zhang, _Gomi no sensei_ [Master of junk] "To live is to scrounge, taking what you can in order to survive. So, since living is scrounging, the result of our efforts is to amass a pile of rubbish." - Chuang Tzu/Zhuangzi, China, 4th Century BCE "The most beautiful order is a heap of sweepings piled up at random." - Heraclitus, Greece, 5th Century BCE "...So what is life for? Life is for beauty and substance and sound and colour; and even those are often forbidden by law [socio-cultural conventions]. . . . Why not be free and live your own life? Why follow other people's rules and live to please others?..." ~Lieh-Tzu/Liezi, Taoist Sage (c. 450- c. 375 BCE) "Taoism in a nutshell: Shit Happens. Roll with the Punches. Hang 10 - Go with the Flow!" - anonymous California surfer/Beatnik, circa late 1950's/early 1960's "Art is an antidote for violence. It gives the ecstasy, the self-transcendence that could otherwise take the form of drug addiction, terrorism, suicide, or warfare." - Rollo May "Life'n'art, art'n'life. There is _no_ separation. Each is a manifestation of every aspect of the other. This is a difficult game... A difficult game to play. It seems, to me, like the only game that needs playing at the moment." - Warren Burt


John Cowan <cowan@...>
Costentin Cornomorus <elemtilas@...>