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Celtica (was: Maggel)

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Sunday, June 13, 2004, 18:03
On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 09:36 , Danny Wier wrote:

> From: "Steg Belsky" <draqonfayir@...> > >> Anyone know why Scottish Gaelic accents go "\" and Irish Gaelic ones go >> "/" ? > > Scots Gaelic does use acute accent for <e> and <o> to indicate a mid-high > quality, as opposed to mid-low for grave, which is the default lenth > marker. > This may have been discontinued in the orthographic reforms of the 1970s.
My edition of "Scottish Gaelic in Three Months" by Roibeard Ó Maolalaigh & Iain MacAonghuis published in _1996_ says quite explicitly: "Long vowels are indicated by means of accents. There are two accents used in Scottish Gaelic: the acute (´), found only on the letters _e_ and _o_ the grave (`), found on _a, o, u, i, e" The book then goes on the explain the differences between é ~ è and ó ~ ò which are s Danny explains above. But the two authors do add: "_Note_: there has been a recent move to abandon the use of acute accents in Gaelic and many people prefer to use only the grave accent...." But as to why Scots Gaelic favors the grave accent & Irish Gaelic the acute for marking long vowels, I don't know. Why, for that matter, does Spanish use the acute to mark irregular stress, while Italian uses the grave (and why do Italians not normally bother with the grave except if the irregular stress is on the final syllable)? I guess there are historic reasons - but largely just a matter of habit, I suspect.
>> Btw, does Scottish also pronounce broad |dh| as /G/ like i was taught >> Irish does? > > Yes, and <th> is /h/, just as in Irish.
Yep - but, of course, only if "broad"; the "slender" (i.e. palatalized) versions are [j] and [C] respectively.
> Lenis /d/ only becomes /D/ in Welsh;
..and Cornish :)
> it becomes /z/ in Breton. initial soft mutation of /d/. The spirant mutation of /t/, which in Welsh & Cornish is /T/, is also /z/ in Breton. But medially, where Welsh & Cornish have /D/ or /T/, while some Breton dialects have /z/ others have [h\] (i.e. voiced 'h'), hence the spelling |zh| in the KLT spelling - the orthography in which some 80% or so of Breton is published. We also find the Welsh & Cornish word final /D/ and /T/ spelled |zh| but the Breton sound pronunciation is |s| or |h| unless the following word begins with a vowel or voiced consonant, in which case the final sounds are voiced. Ray =============================================== (home) (work) =============================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760


Barbara Barrett <barbarabarrett@...>