Re: USAGE: [YAEPT] (was Re: "To whom")

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:18:50 +1100, Tristan McLeay
<conlang@...> wrote:

>Colloquially I say [m&~@~nt@n] or [m&~V~nt@n] or something. If I'm
>being careful I'm informed it's [m&~O~nt@n], though I used to would've
>called it [m&~u\~nt@n]. In any case, the first element's significantly
>more obvious. The first [n] is weaker though, so it might approach
>[m&~:d@n] in sloppy speech, which is sorta like you [maU?n=] :)
What dialect to you speak?

>The [t] is I think weakly voiced---or maybe I do use a glottal stop
>except when I'm paying attention. I'm uncertain now. Stop making me
>think about it!
I'll try my best. :b

>It definately happens to me with diphthongs (incl. ee and oo as in feed
>and food), so that 'laid' has a longer vowel than 'late'. Some people
>will try to mislead you into believing it also happens (IMD) with /&/,
>but that lengthening there is much more prominent and closer to being
>phonemic (it's noticeable by linguistic naives and happens to some
>words but not others); it also doesn't happen according to the same
>rules as with the diphthongs. I think it there's a slightly shorter
>allophone of the long monophthongs (/2:/ in err, /e:/ in air, /a:/ in
>are etc).
Yeah, me too.  "Feed" = [fi:d], "food" = [fu:d], "laid" = [leId] ~
[le:d], "late" = [let_h] or [le?].  Vowels stay long before /r/, too: "err"
= [E:r\], "air" = [e:r\], "are" = [a:r\].

>Most emphatically it does not happen with the short monophthongs; /bed/
>and /bet/ have a vowel of the same length.
I see.

>I see no reason why there couldn't be one, but some people might call
>it a glottal affricative :)
Could be. :b

There's something else I've noticed about my own speech and I'm curious to
see how many others do it.  In active participles of verbs whose stems end
in vowels, do the rest of y'all have glides between the vowels?  I'm
talking about things like this: "skiing" = ['skijiN] ~ ['skijEn], "going" =
['gowiN] ~ ['gowEn], etc.

-Rob

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