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Re: THEORY: The fourth person

From:Racsko Tamas <tracsko@...>
Date:Thursday, April 29, 2004, 19:12
On 29 Apr 2004 takatunu <takatunu@...> wrote:

> In Japanese the linking tag between two predicates whose subjects are > different people is (in theory) -to instead of -te/de: > > Kare wa uta wo utau to kanojo wa odoru. > He sings and (then) she dances. > > Kare wa uta wo utatte odoru. > He sings and dances.
I think the above is a bit different from the "4th person". The "te"- form is similar to the European non-finite verbal forms: it must be placed in a slot of another verb. Therefore it has no own subject. While "to" is a simple postpositive conjuction -- like Latin -que -- between to separate clauses that has their own finite verb. Your second example can be rendered to an "isomorphic" sentence: _He dances while singing a song._ Of course this must be restructured even in English when there's two diferent subjects for the different actions: _He sings a song and she dances_. And the above transformation takes place even when the first agent is "me" and the second one is "you". And this doesn't happen in languages with obviative markers. Watashi wa uta wo utau _to_ *anata wa odoru. I sing a song _and_ you dance. Watasi wa uta wo _utatte_ odoru. I sing a song and dance. (Lit. I dance _while singing_ a song.) (* I know *anata 'you' occurs only in grammatical examples and much more less in the living language. This this was a 'must' the build utterances parallel with English.)