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Re: /S/ in old and middle High German; was: Vikings

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 24, 2004, 17:25
Henrik Theiling wrote:

> .....
> - In Modern Dutch, it is > /s/ in |duits| /d8Yts/ 'German' and > /sx/ in |schip| /sxIp/ 'ship' >
I've always assumed that Engl. "skipper" was < Du. "schipper" '~ship's owner, captain'; while "ship" is the native development, and "skiff" must then be a Scand. borrowing. IIRC Engl. was borrowing actively from Du. (especially maritime terms) in the 16-17th C. (note also the Du/Amer. names Schuylkill, Schermerhorn, pronounced with [sk-])-- which suggests either (1) Du. still had [sk-] in that era or (2) Engl. speakers simply (mis)heard Du. [sx-] as if it were [sk]. "Duits" is of course a modern spelling, revised sometime in the 20th C; the 19/early 20C sources I used still had -sch in such forms; duitsch; spaansch(e), visch, bosch (now spaans, vis, bos etc.). I wonder when the pronunciation actually changed.

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