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semiOT:Re: OT realpolitik (wazRe: Cornomerus, if you're going to criticize what I've written - and you have a couple good points - I would appreciate more than that

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Thursday, December 18, 2003, 3:05
In a message dated 2003:12:16 07:26:54 PM, cowan@MERCURY.CCIL.ORG writes:

>J Y S Czhang scripsit: > >> with a decidedly "libertarian socialist" worldview (conservative >> militant Anarchist a la Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Piotr Kropotkin, >> Mikel Bakunin, Ba Jin, Hugo Ball, Wassily Kandinsky, Nestor Makhno, >> Thomas Merton & William S. Burroughs). > >Don't forget Emma Goldman, Paul Goodman, Grandmother Little Bear Woman, >Noam Chomsky, and the Ol' Man Himself!
I don't think Goodman, Le Guin, Chomsky & LaoTzu * would like being called "militant" or associated with any form of "militancy." They are most vocal about being "pacifist." * but SunTzu would probably fit in here... - - - - - - In a message dated 2003:12:16 07:41:10 PM, elemtilas@YAHOO.COM writes:
>--- J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...> >esescripsaveristibati: > >> >HERE, they dón't matter. HERE we are >> conlangers. >> >HERE we are interested in how we construct >> >languages and their cultures. >> >> Hear hear! Of course one can be >> "subversive" about politics >> and create a conlang &/or conculture with any >> kind of socio-political >> worldview... And that is quite fun and a >> challenge... > >Absolutely! And this (and especially conculture) >are proper venues for such! > >A challenge especially for those of us whose eyes >water at the thought of politics. Personally, I'd >rather have teeth pulled than do politics. > >But I did have some fun playing the part of the >Floridian dicator in Ill Bethisad early the year.
And I the acting President-Citizen of Canton...
>> In the past we on the List have had an Axis >> (German-Japanese-Italian) >> conlang idea that had a neo-Fascistic >> worldview... >> My g0miileg0 is a >> "Neo-Futurist/Konstruktivist/Dada" conlang (a >> more >> specifically a polyglot _mangalang_ of >> Greco-Latinate, Novial, Japanese, Sanskrit, >> Pidgin English and Creole languages - i.e. >> Bislama; Dutch, Finnish, etc.) >> with a decidedly "libertarian socialist" >> worldview (conservative militant >> Anarchist a la Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Piotr >> Kropotkin, Mikel Bakunin, Ba Jin, Hugo >> Ball, Wassily Kandinsky, Nestor Makhno, Thomas >> Merton & William S. Burroughs). > >Heaven defend the poor country you ever inflict >g0miileg0 upon! ;)))
Well, IB Canton comes _very_ close ;)
>> > Believe you me, >> >there are enough French and Germans and >> >miscelaneous others here for any politically >> >active Merkins to go all postal on. >> >> Too true. Even the small faction of us here >> who are "libertarian >> socialists" (radical Greens to >> Anarcho-Communists) have major arguements about >> trusting - or not trusting - social/cultural >> change to the masses and the so-call >> _lumpenproletariat_... with the nasty charges >> of "intellectual class elitistism" >> and "bleedin'hearted bourgeois liberalism" >> being tossed like over-ripe grenades. > >Quite!
All depends on whether or not one believes in the innate "goodness" or "rotten selfishness" of the Human Animal. (Or that it is all quite situational...) Playfully, Burroughs said: "Humans are bad animals." As a Trickster-type, I am sorta like a "Hard-Boiled good Bad Guy" ;)
>> >We could turn >> >this place into a political flamefest royale, >> if >> >we wanted to. No thank you, we don't want any. >> >> Hear hear! Besides my abestos suit from my >> Auxlanging days is sorely outta date... > >Well, I told thee langsyne, get that new auxPrufe >Industries coat! It's very comfy and can >withstand a tetradirectional blastoflame for more >than six hours and is quite resistant to Godwin >Bombs and Throckmorton Incisorisors. Tha'd do >well to invest in one! > >> and it took a very hard battering from my >> highly >> ill-advised excursion into the uber-fanatically >> on-line world of _Star Trek vs. >> Star Wars_... > >Ah, charatheck et vrazeor! You could have >survived there for any length of time in an >auxPrufe coat! > >> >Nice? >> >> *gRRR-ssssnaRRRL-ssssPpPuTTTTeRRR!* Frik >> _nice_!!! ;) > >Well, tha knows what they say: "higgledepiggledy >two by two, she didn't know what she should do, >holidyfolidy, doon the loo!"
LOL --- º°`°º ø,¸¸,ø º ° ° º ø ¸ , ø º º ø ø º Hanuman Zhang, _Gomi no sensei_ [Master of junk] "To live is to scrounge, taking what you can in order to survive. So, since living is scrounging, the result of our efforts is to amass a pile of rubbish." - Chuang Tzu/Zhuangzi, China, 4th Century BCE "The most beautiful order is a heap of sweepings piled up at random." - Heraclitus, Greece, 5th Century BCE "...So what is life for? Life is for beauty and substance and sound and colour; and even those are often forbidden by law [socio-cultural conventions]. . . . Why not be free and live your own life? Why follow other people's rules and live to please others?..." ~Lieh-Tzu/Liezi, Taoist Sage (c. 450- c. 375 BCE) "Taoism in a nutshell: Shit Happens. Roll with the Punches. Hang 10 - Go with the Flow!" - anonymous California surfer/Beatnik, circa late 1950's/early 1960's "Art is an antidote for violence. It gives the ecstasy, the self-transcendence that could otherwise take the form of drug addiction, terrorism, suicide, or warfare." - Rollo May "Life'n'art, art'n'life. There is _no_ separation. Each is a manifestation of every aspect of the other. This is a difficult game... A difficult game to play. It seems, to me, like the only game that needs playing at the moment." - Warren Burt