semiOT:Re: OT realpolitik (wazRe: Cornomerus, if you're going to criticize what I've written - and you have a couple good points - I would appreciate more than that
|From:||J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, December 18, 2003, 3:05|
In a message dated 2003:12:16 07:26:54 PM, cowan@MERCURY.CCIL.ORG writes:
>J Y S Czhang scripsit:
>> with a decidedly "libertarian socialist" worldview (conservative
>> militant Anarchist a la Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Piotr Kropotkin,
>> Mikel Bakunin, Ba Jin, Hugo Ball, Wassily Kandinsky, Nestor Makhno,
>> Thomas Merton & William S. Burroughs).
>Don't forget Emma Goldman, Paul Goodman, Grandmother Little Bear Woman,
>Noam Chomsky, and the Ol' Man Himself!
I don't think Goodman, Le Guin, Chomsky & LaoTzu * would like being
called "militant" or associated with any form of "militancy." They are most vocal
about being "pacifist."
* but SunTzu would probably fit in here...
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In a message dated 2003:12:16 07:41:10 PM, elemtilas@YAHOO.COM writes:
>--- J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
>> >HERE, they dón't matter. HERE we are
>> >HERE we are interested in how we construct
>> >languages and their cultures.
>> Hear hear! Of course one can be
>> "subversive" about politics
>> and create a conlang &/or conculture with any
>> kind of socio-political
>> worldview... And that is quite fun and a
>Absolutely! And this (and especially conculture)
>are proper venues for such!
>A challenge especially for those of us whose eyes
>water at the thought of politics. Personally, I'd
>rather have teeth pulled than do politics.
>But I did have some fun playing the part of the
>Floridian dicator in Ill Bethisad early the year.
And I the acting President-Citizen of Canton...
>> In the past we on the List have had an Axis
>> conlang idea that had a neo-Fascistic
>> My g0miileg0 is a
>> "Neo-Futurist/Konstruktivist/Dada" conlang (a
>> specifically a polyglot _mangalang_ of
>> Greco-Latinate, Novial, Japanese, Sanskrit,
>> Pidgin English and Creole languages - i.e.
>> Bislama; Dutch, Finnish, etc.)
>> with a decidedly "libertarian socialist"
>> worldview (conservative militant
>> Anarchist a la Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Piotr
>> Kropotkin, Mikel Bakunin, Ba Jin, Hugo
>> Ball, Wassily Kandinsky, Nestor Makhno, Thomas
>> Merton & William S. Burroughs).
>Heaven defend the poor country you ever inflict
>g0miileg0 upon! ;)))
Well, IB Canton comes _very_ close ;)
>> > Believe you me,
>> >there are enough French and Germans and
>> >miscelaneous others here for any politically
>> >active Merkins to go all postal on.
>> Too true. Even the small faction of us here
>> who are "libertarian
>> socialists" (radical Greens to
>> Anarcho-Communists) have major arguements about
>> trusting - or not trusting - social/cultural
>> change to the masses and the so-call
>> _lumpenproletariat_... with the nasty charges
>> of "intellectual class elitistism"
>> and "bleedin'hearted bourgeois liberalism"
>> being tossed like over-ripe grenades.
All depends on whether or not one believes in the
innate "goodness" or "rotten selfishness" of the Human
Animal. (Or that it is all quite situational...)
Playfully, Burroughs said: "Humans are bad animals."
As a Trickster-type, I am sorta like a "Hard-Boiled good
Bad Guy" ;)
>> >We could turn
>> >this place into a political flamefest royale,
>> >we wanted to. No thank you, we don't want any.
>> Hear hear! Besides my abestos suit from my
>> Auxlanging days is sorely outta date...
>Well, I told thee langsyne, get that new auxPrufe
>Industries coat! It's very comfy and can
>withstand a tetradirectional blastoflame for more
>than six hours and is quite resistant to Godwin
>Bombs and Throckmorton Incisorisors. Tha'd do
>well to invest in one!
>> and it took a very hard battering from my
>> ill-advised excursion into the uber-fanatically
>> on-line world of _Star Trek vs.
>> Star Wars_...
>Ah, charatheck et vrazeor! You could have
>survived there for any length of time in an
>> *gRRR-ssssnaRRRL-ssssPpPuTTTTeRRR!* Frik
>> _nice_!!! ;)
>Well, tha knows what they say: "higgledepiggledy
>two by two, she didn't know what she should do,
>holidyfolidy, doon the loo!"
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