semiOT:Re: OT realpolitik (wazRe: Cornomerus, if you're going to criticize what I've written - and you have a couple good points - I would appreciate more than that

In a message dated 2003:12:16 07:26:54 PM, cowan@MERCURY.CCIL.ORG writes:

>J Y S Czhang scripsit:
>
>> with a decidedly "libertarian socialist" worldview (conservative
>> militant Anarchist a la Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Piotr Kropotkin,
>> Mikel Bakunin, Ba Jin, Hugo Ball, Wassily Kandinsky, Nestor Makhno,
>> Thomas Merton & William S. Burroughs).
>
>Don't forget Emma Goldman, Paul Goodman, Grandmother Little Bear Woman,
>Noam Chomsky, and the Ol' Man Himself!
    I don't think Goodman, Le Guin, Chomsky & LaoTzu * would like being
called "militant" or associated with any form of "militancy." They are most vocal
about being "pacifist."

    * but SunTzu would probably fit in here...

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In a message dated 2003:12:16 07:41:10 PM, elemtilas@YAHOO.COM writes:

>--- J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
>esescripsaveristibati:
>
>> >HERE, they dón't matter. HERE we are
>> conlangers.
>> >HERE we are interested in how we construct
>> >languages and their cultures.
>>
>>     Hear hear! Of course one can be
>> "subversive" about politics
>> and create a conlang &/or conculture with any
>> kind of socio-political
>> worldview... And that is quite fun and a
>> challenge...
>
>Absolutely! And this (and especially conculture)
>are proper venues for such!
>
>A challenge especially for those of us whose eyes
>water at the thought of politics. Personally, I'd
>rather have teeth pulled than do politics.
>
>But I did have some fun playing the part of the
>Floridian dicator in Ill Bethisad early the year.
    And I the acting President-Citizen of Canton...

>>     In the past we on the List have had an Axis
>> (German-Japanese-Italian)
>> conlang idea that had a neo-Fascistic
>> worldview...
>>     My g0miileg0 is a
>> "Neo-Futurist/Konstruktivist/Dada" conlang (a
>> more
>> specifically a polyglot _mangalang_ of
>> Greco-Latinate, Novial, Japanese, Sanskrit,
>> Pidgin English and Creole languages - i.e.
>> Bislama; Dutch, Finnish, etc.)
>> with a decidedly "libertarian socialist"
>> worldview (conservative militant
>> Anarchist a la Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Piotr
>> Kropotkin, Mikel Bakunin, Ba Jin, Hugo
>> Ball, Wassily Kandinsky, Nestor Makhno, Thomas
>> Merton & William S. Burroughs).
>
>Heaven defend the poor country you ever inflict
>g0miileg0 upon! ;)))
    Well, IB Canton comes _very_ close ;)

>> > Believe you me,
>> >there are enough French and Germans and
>> >miscelaneous others here for any politically
>> >active Merkins to go all postal on.
>>
>>     Too true. Even the small faction of us here
>> who are "libertarian
>> socialists" (radical Greens to
>> Anarcho-Communists) have major arguements about
>> trusting - or not trusting - social/cultural
>> change to the masses and the so-call
>> _lumpenproletariat_... with the nasty charges
>> of "intellectual class elitistism"
>> and "bleedin'hearted bourgeois liberalism"
>> being tossed like over-ripe grenades.
>
>Quite!
    All depends on whether or not one believes in the
innate "goodness" or "rotten selfishness" of the Human
Animal. (Or that it is all quite situational...)
    Playfully, Burroughs said: "Humans are bad animals."
As a Trickster-type, I am sorta like a "Hard-Boiled good
Bad Guy" ;)

>> >We could turn
>> >this place into a political flamefest royale,
>> if
>> >we wanted to. No thank you, we don't want any.
>>
>>     Hear hear! Besides my abestos suit from my
>> Auxlanging days is sorely outta date...
>
>Well, I told thee langsyne, get that new auxPrufe
>Industries coat! It's very comfy and can
>withstand a tetradirectional blastoflame for more
>than six hours and is quite resistant to Godwin
>Bombs and Throckmorton Incisorisors. Tha'd do
>well to invest in one!
>
>> and it took a very hard battering from my
>> highly
>> ill-advised excursion into the uber-fanatically
>> on-line world of _Star Trek vs.
>> Star Wars_...
>
>Ah, charatheck et vrazeor! You could have
>survived there for any length of time in an
>auxPrufe coat!
>
>> >Nice?
>>
>>     *gRRR-ssssnaRRRL-ssssPpPuTTTTeRRR!* Frik
>> _nice_!!!  ;)
>
>Well, tha knows what they say: "higgledepiggledy
>two by two, she didn't know what she should do,
>holidyfolidy, doon the loo!"
 LOL

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