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Mentemente (was; Re; Negation?)

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Sunday, July 11, 1999, 1:53
On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:41:40 -0300 FFlores <fflores@...> writes:
>Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...> wrote: >> Rokbeigalmki adverbs are formed with the attachment of >> _elikuh-_ to the beginning of the root. I don't think i originally >came >> up with it that way, but _elikuh-_ seems to be connected to the >> construction _ilu+ka'_, "all+like". >> ILU + KA' =3D >> _ilu:ka_ - "so much; such a" >> _i:luka:_ - "just like; the same as" >> _elikuh-_ - (adverb) >> So i guess the metaphor in Rokbeigalmki adverbs is "doing the action >with >> such _____likeness".
>Do you have many vowel pattern changes like these? Anything >to do with the Semitic method? I've tried langs with consonantal >roots but I got severely confused. :(
Nope, Rokbeigalmki doesn't work that way. The only reason i thought of the connection (since as far as i can remember, i didn't plan it) is because of the consonants. I think _elikuh-_ may go all the way back to ool-Nuziiferoi, although it's not in the old notebook. And it seems a bit to long for that language, thinking now i'd've used a "pure sound" (syllabic consonant) and not a three-syllable affix. Except for _elikuh-_, the others are more explainable - (the :s mark rising (acute?) accent marks over the vowel, the vowel is half-lengthened) _i:luka:_ is more obvious that it's from _ilu ka'_, since ILU is stressed on the first syllable, and the double accentuation shows that it's not really one word. Originally i wrote it as two words. _ilu:ka_ is "farther from the original" in that it's merged fully into one word, with a single accented syllable.
>Anyway, Drasel=E9q uses an underlying suffix <-il> for a lot of >adverbs >(it can be realized as /il/, /yl/, /Yl/, depending on final vowels of >the root), but I've recently taken a more analytic method for adverb >formation where you simply use _rin_ ('with, having') + an abstract >noun. It can also be adjectival. Sometimes you can use also 'to be' >with it: >_Rin gran arsel imalaq ren_ > with hunger being eat.3sPST man > 'the man ate hungrily', 'being hungry, the man ate' >This shows some polysynthetic tendencies (_rin gran arsel_ being >pronounced as one word /rin'gra,narsel/), since _rin_, like most >prepositions, is a clitic in D.
I've also used "with" (_sa'_) constructions as a secondary adverb form. In Rokbeigalmki the _elikuh-_ adverbs are considered "true" adverbs, and are used to describe the action in an "innate" way. The _sa'_ constructions are more artificial. The true adverbs are also directed more to the action, and the "with" constructions to the actor. They also have a more "physical" sense to them, as if you are holding the characteristic in your hand. _ozu-mwe elikuh-dimwa_ = "he moved silently" = the silence seems to come naturally to him. _ozu-mwe sa'dimwa_ = "he moved with silentness" = the silence seems artificial, he had to work hard so no one will hear him. -Stephen (Steg)
> >--Pablo Flores
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