> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On
> Behalf Of Yoon Ha Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 January, 2001 2:22 PM
> To: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
> Subject: Re: /p/ versus devoiced b?
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Danny Wier wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Behalf Of Yoon Ha Lee
> > > Sent: Sunday, 28 January, 2001 10:19 AM
> >
> > > Nah, I wouldn't do this to you. But I could possibly give a better
> > > question if someone would explain what the difference is
> between /p/ and
> > > devoiced /b/, because the little phonetics/phonology I've
> had/have read
> > > is absolutely no help is figuring it out. :-/
> >
> > I'll throw some links your way:
> >
> >
>
http://dir.yahoo.com/Social_Science/Linguistics_and_Human_Language
> s/Phonetic
> > s_and_Phonology/ (from Yahoo!, but all in English)
> > I tried a search in Yahoo! Korean but found no links pertaining to
> > "phonetics and phonolgy". For "Linguistics and Human Languages",
> >
http://kr.dir.yahoo.com/Social_Science/Linguistics_and_Human_Languages/
> > (make sure your OS or browser can read Hangul!)
>
> We went over it a little in phonetics/phonology today. :-p There were
> people in the class getting frustrated because they couldn't hear the
> difference between /b/ and /p/ (no aspiration) being pronounced by our
> Chinese prof, while I sat there thinking, "Thank God for Korean."
>
> I guess it's one of those continuum things. The difference between
> devoiced /b/ and unaspirated /p/ seems kinda small, and I have to be
> paying attention to tell the difference.
>
> > To me a voiced consonant means that the vocal cords vibrate continually,
> > while with voiceless consonants, the vocal cords stop while the
> > lips/tongue/throat closes for the consonant sound. In Korean, the "lax"
> > consonants are voiced in between vowels. It might take a good bit of
> > practice.
>
> Oh, and as to ejectives--I hit Ladefoged's pronunciation of IPA chart
> symbols via the Yahoo! phonetics/phonology links. I can say definitely
> that the "tensed" or "glottalized" consonants are *not* ejectives. If
> anything, the ejectives sound like, well, really strong versions of the
> aspirated stops.
> Does *anyone* know how IPA represents this glottalization thing? _The
> Korean Alphabet has /p'/, /t'/ etc. but doesn't call them ejectives, and
> they sure don't sound like ejectives. Most puzzling.
IPA uses apostrophe after the letter for ejective. An older alternative is
to add a hook on top of the letter, but that's used only for voiced
implosives now.