Re: /p/ versus devoiced b?

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Nik Taylor wrote:

> Yoon Ha Lee wrote:
> > Does *anyone* know how IPA represents this glottalization thing?  _The
> > Korean Alphabet has /p'/, /t'/ etc. but doesn't call them ejectives, and
> > they sure don't sound like ejectives.  Most puzzling.
>
> Odd ... /p'/, etc. *is* the way that ejectives are marked in the IPA.
> If they're not ejectives, then it's odd that that book would use them to
> represent them.
Definitely agreed.  You know what <bonking self on head>, since the
phonetics/phonology prof is Chinese, I should just ask her after class
Thursday.  She has a way better chance of having a clue than I do, and
since I can produce the Korean sounds in question, she might be able to
tell me what's going on and how they're *supposed* to be transcribed.  I
also want to ask what other languages (there's *got* to be
some...right...?) have the same or similar sounds.  :-)  One of the
reasons I ditched the original version of Arakis was that I got screwed
up on just which stops in Korean were aspirated, so I thought the
glottalized series were, and did evolution based on that, but glottalized
stops sound sort of ugly to me and I wasn't happy working on an
ugly-sounding protoconlang.

YHL